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Old 04-08-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
Don't you know government is the one who tells us what a job is worth? We can't decide for ourselves.

So now someone who wants a job and offers to do it for less in order to secure that job is out of luck. In this case since government takes the ability to set wages out of the equation, costs have less of a chance to drop. everyone pays higher prices.
Do you want the government deciding a minimum acceptable standard or the 1%?

(Here's a hint.. the 1% only care about 1% of the population.)

 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why keep pace with times when we actually had a middle class?

Perhaps you think this is ok?




How about you look at what the minimum wage was back in the "great compression."
LOL..min wage jobs are middle class now ?
You don't set that bar very high do you ?

People are under the false impression that min wage jobs "used" to support families.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why keep pace with times when we actually had a middle class?

Perhaps you think this is ok?




How about you look at what the minimum wage was back in the "great compression."
Minimum wage started in 1938 and was set at 25 cents per hour. That equates to $4.16 in 2014 dollars. And yet people are screaming for the minimum wage to be raised in order to make it "fair".
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Minimum wage started in 1938 and was set at 25 cents per hour. That equates to $4.16 in 2014 dollars. And yet people are screaming for the minimum wage to be raised in order to make it "fair".
Globalism has left the US with lower paying service jobs.
FF/retail min wage jobs were held by teens and SAHMs at one time.

Now we hear that adults are trying to raise families with these jobs.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by Erratikmind View Post
Why would landlords raise their rents?
Because their costs will go up. Think about it.

The maintenance company that they contract will have to pay their workers more, therefore they will charge more.

The cleaning company that they contract will have to pay their workers more, therefore they will charge more.

Etc...

Raising the minimum wage has a ripple effect which most of the people who are calling for it to be raised don't realize. The money to pay those workers more has to come from somewhere, and no matter how angry and/or jealous people are about the CEOs of corporations making the money that they do, it isn't coming out of the CEO paychecks or bonuses. Every company that employs minimum wage workers will have to raise their prices in order to cover the additional cost of those workers. This means that everything from groceries to fast food is going to go up in price, which will quickly make that minimum wage raise obsolete. The alternative is to automate as much as possible, leading to job losses among the minimum wage workers who Progressives are "helping."

Historically, raising the minimum wage has never resulted in minimum wage workers being well-off, or even middle class. Unfortunately, the economic idiots who are crying about how the minimum wage should be a "living wage" (still waiting for the definition of that made-up term, btw) don't care about history. They merely want to do something to "help" the minimum wage workers, with no regard to the fact that what they are doing is actually going to end up hurting those minimum wage workers that they have so much false compassion for.

As the old proverb says; give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Similarly, handing minimum wage workers a pay raise which will quickly be diminished as the market corrects itself (which it always does) will give them a small boost in their standard of living over a short period of time. Once the market corrects itself, they will have to readjust to being on the bottom of the wage totem pole once again. If Progressives would push for vocational training and life skills education for the minimum wage workers in order to give them the ability to find a better paying career, they would be doing them a far greater favor than by trying to arbitrarily set a wage floor which will last just long enough in terms of real dollars to give the minimum wage earners false hope.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Globalism has left the US with lower paying service jobs.
FF/retail min wage jobs were held by teens and SAHMs at one time.

Now we hear that adults are trying to raise families with these jobs.
According to the BLS, less than 5% of U.S. workers make the minimum wage or less. If anyone truly believes that there is a minimum wage "crisis" or that a huge number of Americans are trying to raise a family on minimum wage, they are incapable of reading statistics or thinking critically.

From the BLS report:
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Among hourly paid workers age 16 and over, about 10 percent of those who had less than a high school diploma
earned the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 4 percent of those who had a high school
diploma (with no college) and about 2 percent of college graduates.
Your chance of making minimum wage goes down in proportion to your level of education, contrary to the "college degree holders are being forced into minimum wage jobs" argument that has been spouted ad nauseum by the Progressives.

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Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 21 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and over. (See table 1 and table 7.)
Minimum wage jobs are still predominately held by teenagers, no matter what lies you are being fed by the proponents of raising the minimum wage. While I will admit that more and more young people are being stupid about their timing when starting a family, I don't see the benefit of raising prices for everyone in order to make up for their lack of planning.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Globalism has left the US with lower paying service jobs.
FF/retail min wage jobs were held by teens and SAHMs at one time.

Now we hear that adults are trying to raise families with these jobs.
Yep, those jobs we willing let corporations ship overseas with no form of punishment were not minimum wage jobs, they were well paying manufacturing jobs that one could build a career and retirement off of.

I would love to see our country turn itself around and go back to being a country that makes things again, but I don't see that happening when politicians won't crack down on corporations and Americans keep begging to give corporations more tax breaks.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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Yep, those jobs we willing let corporations ship overseas with no form of punishment were not minimum wage jobs, they were well paying manufacturing jobs that one could build a career and retirement off of.

I would love to see our country turn itself around and go back to being a country that makes things again, but I don't see that happening when politicians won't crack down on corporations and Americans keep begging to give corporations more tax breaks.
What does this mean "crack down on corporations"?
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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Maryland raises minimum wage - Apr. 7, 2014

Course by the time it actually gets to 10.10$ an hour it will be time for a new raise.
They have to get the money to pay their "rain tax" somewhere!
 
Old 04-08-2014, 08:55 AM
 
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I would love to see our country turn itself around and go back to being a country that makes things again, but I don't see that happening when politicians won't crack down on corporations and Americans keep begging to give corporations more tax breaks.
In their defense... Corporations are going to win the war.

The threat of automation will squeeze corporate taxes to 0%. The government will eventually beg technology / energy corporations to hire people rather than use robots.

My issue really will be finding a way to separate corporations from the 0.1% individuals. It will involve closing loopholes. Warren Buffet and the like sitll need to be paying a fair amount of taxes, regardless of the outcome of Corporations.
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