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Old 04-09-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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I know I go against even some Conservatives on this, and nearly all liberals, but when this country started rewarding the poor who have kids, it started down not just a dangerous path. But an extremely stupid one.

Why in the hell do we look for ways to reward those who knowingly have kids, yet can barely take care of themselves? Most of these situations arent people who accidentally get pregnant. (and let's be honest, you dont ever "accidentally" get pregnant. We all know the possible out come of sex). Giving these people handouts and rewards for having kids is like rewarding your dog for getting himself into trouble or making a mess. Now people not just expect it, but they want more and more. And if you dont want to do more, you hate the poor or hate the children.

Personal responsibility no longer exists. People are afraid to say on national tv that you should not have kids if you can't afford it, and you should no longer be rewarded.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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Kids = money from social services. The more kids the more money.

Then they expect the village to raise the kids.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Giving these people handouts and rewards for having kids is like rewarding your dog for getting himself into trouble or making a mess.
Maybe part of your lack of understanding is thinking of poor people as animals instead of human beings.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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Maybe part of your lack of understanding is thinking of poor people as animals instead of human beings.
Nothing of value said.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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It sucks to have to pay for other peoples' kids because they either cannot or will not take care if their own.

However, what's the alternative? The children didn't ask to be born, especially into such a crappy situation. We cannot punish the children because the parents are irresponsible.

Furthermore, it's bad for society in the long run to just throw up our hands and say, "the hell with it! Every man for himself!" Those children that we let fall through the cracks become tomorrow's problems. Yes, I know that a lot of these children are already on their way to becoming problems. However, it will be much worse if we as a society choose to not provide for children whose families won't provide for them.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It sucks to have to pay for other peoples' kids because they either cannot or will not take care if their own.

However, what's the alternative? The children didn't ask to be born, especially into such a crappy situation. We cannot punish the children because the parents are irresponsible.

Furthermore, it's bad for society in the long run to just throw up our hands and say, "the hell with it! Every man for himself!" Those children that we let fall through the cracks become tomorrow's problems. Yes, I know that a lot of these children are already on their way to becoming problems. However, it will be much worse if we as a society choose to not provide for children whose families won't provide for them.
I agree but it won't get better as poor have 3 times as many kids as non poor.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I know I go against even some Conservatives on this, and nearly all liberals, but when this country started rewarding the poor who have kids, it started down not just a dangerous path. But an extremely stupid one.

Why in the hell do we look for ways to reward those who knowingly have kids, yet can barely take care of themselves? Most of these situations arent people who accidentally get pregnant. (and let's be honest, you dont ever "accidentally" get pregnant. We all know the possible out come of sex). Giving these people handouts and rewards for having kids is like rewarding your dog for getting himself into trouble or making a mess. Now people not just expect it, but they want more and more. And if you dont want to do more, you hate the poor or hate the children.

Personal responsibility no longer exists. People are afraid to say on national tv that you should not have kids if you can't afford it, and you should no longer be rewarded.
Perhaps they were taking Sarah Palin's advice of using abstinence as a birth control method--as Bristol Palin did.

This is why having proper sex education classes in school should be a no-brainer for teens, and birth control should be available and cheap. This is an issue where pragmatism should take precedence over religion. Otherwise there will be either poor mothers or abortions. As far as personal responsibility, when politicians are having affairs left and right (the latest being US Rep Lance McAllister, who campaigned on 'family values'), it is rather difficult to preach morals and personal responsibility to the general population.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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Conservatives are just so clueless on crap like this. Lets see the right pushes abstinence only sex education, demands that nothing related to sex or contraception be taught except "don't do it until you are married," wants to restrict contraception, ban abortion and then somehow doesn't understand why people in their teens and early 20s have kids.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:11 PM
 
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"Why do poor people have kids?"

If you don't know by now, maybe it's time for your parents to have a little talk with you.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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First of all, I want to make it clear that (1) I'm more progressive than most progressives I know, (2) I abhor paying for single moms who are on welfare, (3) I absolutely hate seeing so much of my tax dollars paying for leeches, and (4) I am absolutely behind Obama.

That said, being realistic, I have to accept that the poor/uneducated will always have way way way more kids than they can support. It happens in countries that have social safety nets and countries without social safety nets. Have you ever been to a 3rd world country lately? Most of them have no welfare programs, and their poor pump out kids like there is no tomorrow.

It's just a fact of life. It's less of a headache if you just ignore it.
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