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Old 04-13-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What it adds up to is that the general liberal principle is: "whatever I feel is OK, then it's OK no matter what and based on any justification I want to give, whether it makes sense or not. And if you keep making comparisons, then I'll just get really offended like Ceist."
What is YOUR justification for not allowing two same sex persons to get married other than YOU think it is icky? YOUR case is the one that makes NO sense.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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a) If children can't give legal consent, then they can't have sex with other children or it's rape.

b) That's a historical reason for incest being bad. It's irrelevant in the modern world.

c) Using an argument about "the current legal structure of marriage laws" is proven irrelevant.

As to your question:

There's no legal reason you can't have gay marriage, other than the fact that people didn't want it, which is the only legal reason we have most things.

So yes to incest, polygamy, and pedophilia then?
A) consent to sex has restrictions, and is not the same thing as consent to a legally binding contract.

B) In the modern world married people don't reproduce?

C) How do you handle medical decisions when there are 6 spouses? Take a vote?
How do you handle spousal visas? Allow one citizen to marry an entire village from another country and get them all in on spousal visa?
How do you deal with death benefits? Does each spouse get the same amount, or is there a total that is divided? Or does the first spouse get more, then the second, then the third...
How do you deal with divorce and child custody when there are 7 or 8 legal parents and married people?

When all of these and many other things can be worked out then go for it. I have no issue with polygamy among consenting adults.

Same sex marriage can not be voted away. We have this thing called a constitution that guarantees all citizens equal protection of the laws.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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A) consent to sex has restrictions, and is not the same thing as consent to a legally binding contract.

B) In the modern world married people don't reproduce?

C) How do you handle medical decisions when there are 6 spouses? Take a vote?
How do you handle spousal visas? Allow one citizen to marry an entire village from another country and get them all in on spousal visa?
How do you deal with death benefits? Does each spouse get the same amount, or is there a total that is divided? Or does the first spouse get more, then the second, then the third...
How do you deal with divorce and child custody when there are 7 or 8 legal parents and married people?

When all of these and many other things can be worked out then go for it. I have no issue with polygamy among consenting adults.

Same sex marriage can not be voted away. We have this thing called a constitution that guarantees all citizens equal protection of the laws.
a) Nope, now you're just randomly making up things.

b) If they don't want to, sure -- see homosexuals, for example. However, what I was actually getting at was that the impact of genetic problems based on incest can be completely obviated.

c) Who cares about your questions about "how do you handle ...?" They're irrelevant to the greater issue of whether they can get married. It's either a yes or a no, not "first tell me how ..."

Same sex marriage doesn't need to be voted away. It was never there. Therefore, "away" doesn't make sense.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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Seems to me the LGBT community should demand Zuckerberg's dismissal. If they don't, it's pure hypocrisy.

Before libs protest, remember the Hobby Lobby investments in birth control? Careful.......................
The difference between Zuckerberg and Eich, is that Eich's donation was done in private. It was not done in the name of Mozilla. All these anti-Eich homos who forced Mozilla to ask him to leave (voluntarily, of course — but any of us who have ever worked in the corporate world know that this is the same as being fired) only knew of his donation because of a witch hunt conducted by these perverts that linked the names of donors to their place of employment, and they took it from there. This ought to have been illegal.

This was a continuation of what they had done to people before the vote. Properties vandalized, including automobiles, and bullying people in front of their place of employment, the intent of which was to "shame them" before their peers.

This is the mentality, and the sickness that we are dealing with in our society. These people ought to be locked up for life, for what they have done to the lives of others. We are being bullied by a minority of perverts who think laws don't apply to them, and that they can do whatever they want, if it helps their "cause." They are criminals.

What's next? Decriminalizing pedophilia? The "National Man Boy Love Association" (NAMBLA) I'm sure is working toward that goal. Will our judges cave. They are giving themselves very little "wiggle room."
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:46 PM
 
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What's next? Decriminalizing pedophilia?
You actually can't argue against it, based on arguments used by homosexuals.

Pedophilia, although currently viewed negatively, has occurred in human civilizations in the past, including the popularly-cited Greek civilization that has been used to support homosexual relationships.

Pedophilia is considered a mental disorder. But, then again, so was homosexuality.

Pedophilia can be shown to lead to negative social and psychological outcomes. But when that happens with homosexuality, we're told "that's because society is so prejudiced against homosexuals that the pressure drives homosexuals to it." Similarly, if you look at civilizations where there was no animus against pedophilia, you didn't see those problems.

So if someone is for homosexuality and against pedophilia, all they're telling you is that they are fine with being prejudiced and bigoted when it doesn't involve them.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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You actually can't argue against it, based on arguments used by homosexuals.

Pedophilia, although currently viewed negatively, has occurred in human civilizations in the past, including the popularly-cited Greek civilization that has been used to support homosexual relationships.

Pedophilia is considered a mental disorder. But, then again, so was homosexuality.

Pedophilia can be shown to lead to negative social and psychological outcomes. But when that happens with homosexuality, we're told "that's because society is so prejudiced against homosexuals that the pressure drives homosexuals to it." Similarly, if you look at civilizations where there was no animus against pedophilia, you didn't see those problems.

So if someone is for homosexuality and against pedophilia, all they're telling you is that they are fine with being prejudiced and bigoted when it doesn't involve them.
Homosexuality is still a mental disorder.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Homosexuality is still a mental disorder.
It's still abnormal, but technically it got reclassified out of being mental disorder in the '80s.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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The reason the term McCarthyism even exist is because it means the individual attacks people with no evidence. by your own link, there is evidence.
This ignores the fact that it turned out McCarthy was right. Look at the Democrat Party today. They are nearly all Marxist/socialists. This is why they fought so hard to discredit him, and paint him as a nut case. That was simply a strategy.
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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AGAIN, since it seems you are mentally challenged ...When your cat can stand before witnesses and avow their love and devotion to you in a language common to those said witnesses, THEN you can marry your cat.
She can already do that - she purrs and rubs her head against Harrier's legs.
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Somehow, I figured you have been following this very closely. This is what you do, right?

Did you ever think of just reading a good book? There has got to be more to life than this issue. Why can't you live as God created you?
She is. She cant change her sexuality just like you can't. So she's living to be happy.
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