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Old 06-06-2014, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Are you able to understand the difference between examining the past and speculating about the future?
Who was talking about the future?..I was talking about the present.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Hmmm...

No mention of GHCN v3.2.0 or USHCN v2.5.

Hot News for Temperatures « the Air Vent
Of course not. Why bother with fact when one can call upon "settled" science instead?

PS like the way I stole your links and passed them off as my own?
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Hmmm...

No mention of GHCN v3.2.0 or USHCN v2.5.

Hot News for Temperatures « the Air Vent
Jeff Condon (alias Jeff Id) is an Aeronautical Engineer, so why should I believe him over climate scientists?
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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Yes, I've posted that link several times, but guess what?....The AGW deniers say all those scientists are in kahoots to perpetrate a world wide hoax in order to steal our money....Unlike most conspiracy theories this one is not harmless.
"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore."
Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official:

The objective, clearly enunciated by the leaders of UNCED, is to bring about a change in the present system of independent nations. The future is to be World Government with central planning by the United Nations. Fear of environmental crises - whether real or not - is expected to lead to – compliance”
Dixy Lee Ray, former liberal Democrat governor of State of Washington, U.S

"Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task."
David Shearman, an IPCC Assessor for 3rd and 4th climate change reports

"[Kyoto protocol] is not a simple environmental issue, where you can say scientists are not unanimous. This is about international relations, this is about the economy, about trying to create a level playing field for big businesses throughout the world. You have to understand what is at stake, and that is why it is serious,…"
EU Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstroem

“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument [Kyoto Protocol] of global governance,”..."By acting together, by building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance, we are working for dialogue and peace.”
Jacques Chirac, former French President
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore."
Ottmar Edenhoffer, high level UN-IPCC official:
Edenhofer will have to control his own strong opinions, formed during his years as an economist and climate-policy expert. He favours cap-and-trade schemes, for example, over a direct carbon tax as the most effective way to cut emissions and promote climate-friendly innovation. And he is adamant that the global transformation to a low-carbon economy cannot be achieved — no matter what goals key emitters might commit themselves to — without substantially increasing the use of renewable energy in all sectors of the economy.
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The objective, clearly enunciated by the leaders of UNCED, is to bring about a change in the present system of independent nations. The future is to be World Government with central planning by the United Nations. Fear of environmental crises - whether real or not - is expected to lead to – compliance”
Dixy Lee Ray, former liberal Democrat governor of State of Washington, U.S
Dixy Ray Lee is not a climate scientist, but like you she is somewhat of a conspiracy nut.... Ray concluded her speech to the Progress Foundation by frankly insisting that the agenda of the Earth Summit was Socialist, its objective to “bring about a change in the present system of independent nations . . . World Government with central planning by the United Nations.

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"Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task."
David Shearman, an IPCC Assessor for 3rd and 4th climate change reports
"Climate change caused by economic growth and the increasing population of the world now threatens the integrity of the biological earth. Our life support systems, the ecological services in the soil and the sea, upon which we depend for food, are sick. The health impacts of climate change are already upon us with an increase in deaths from heat stroke and natural disasters. Many societies are becoming unstable because of drought and there is suffering from stress, depression and the migration of populations"..... David Shearman...What does he say here that is untrue? David Shearman

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"[Kyoto protocol] is not a simple environmental issue, where you can say scientists are not unanimous. This is about international relations, this is about the economy, about trying to create a level playing field for big businesses throughout the world. You have to understand what is at stake, and that is why it is serious,…"
EU Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstroem
So what, Are you denying her statement?

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“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument [Kyoto Protocol] of global governance,”..."By acting together, by building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance, we are working for dialogue and peace.”
Jacques Chirac, former French President
So do you think that the world governments working together to combat climate change is a bad thing?

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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One of the most vulnerable regions to climate change is the Asia-Pacific, especially for its low-lying coastal areas and island states. Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), tells DW that hundreds of millions of people will be affected by coastal flooding and displaced due to climate change by 2100 unless the international community takes decisive action. http://www.dw.de/asia-under-increasi...nge/a-17690437
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Hmmmmm

  • CO2 2005=379ppm=0.000379=ca 4/100,000
  • CO2 1750=280ppm=0.000280=ca 3/100,000
  • Increase: 99ppm=0.000099=ca 1/100,000
So the globals expect us to believe that a change of 1 part in 100,000 in the last 250 years is going to plunge the earth into some sort of climatic destruction. Just utter insanity.


And then there's water vapor...

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-...ouse-gases.php


Increased water vapor creates a positive feedback loop, yet there has never been a runaway greenhouse effect caused by water vapor.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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And then there's water vapor...
That's right, thanks for pointing that out... The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere exists in direct relation to the temperature. If you increase the temperature, more water evaporates and becomes vapor, and vice versa. So when something else causes a temperature increase (such as extra CO2 from fossil fuels), more water evaporates. Then, since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, this additional water vapor causes the temperature to go up even further—a positive feedback.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Explain the warming of Mars.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Explain the warming of Mars.
Why?....Mars has nothing to do with earth's atmosphere.
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