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Old 04-16-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Gas has always been much higher in Europe. When I lived there, people drove very fuel efficiant cars (for the early '90s), used public transportation a lot, and wherever you lived, you could walk to restaurants, pubs and grocery stores.

Americans are just figuring out how convenient it is to live in denser, mixed-use neighborhoods. If you don't like to dump a paycheck into your gas tank, then don't live in far-flung suburbs where you're a 15 min. drive to the grocery store.

I drive a Prius, so gas is the least of my budget problems
Most suburbs have their OWN grocery stores and other amenities. They don't have to drive to the city for those things.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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the very idea that petroleum is sold on an open market is complete absurdity. the price of oil has be controlled since the days of the original Standard Oil Cartel. The name may have changed but the function of controlling price by limiting access has not. The fossil fuel organizations charge as much as possible without encouraging alternatives.
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Old 04-16-2014, 03:53 PM
 
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Gas has always been much higher in Europe. When I lived there, people drove very fuel efficiant cars (for the early '90s), used public transportation a lot, and wherever you lived, you could walk to restaurants, pubs and grocery stores.

Americans are just figuring out how convenient it is to live in denser, mixed-use neighborhoods. If you don't like to dump a paycheck into your gas tank, then don't live in far-flung suburbs where you're a 15 min. drive to the grocery store.

I drive a Prius, so gas is the least of my budget problems
Sure....because there are plenty of jobs for everyone in the cities and if not there is plenty of room to build factories and warehouses.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:30 PM
 
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Default ua is more spread out.

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Because their purchase power is much smaller, Europe is a collection of countries while the US is a big country filled with states.

The US is just to wild and untamed compared to Europe. The difference is the US is a Oil Producer and we should enjoy gas price we had $2.50 mark. Europe does not produce a drop of crude.

America has shift directions on vehicles and it does take about 8 years to get people in more efficient vehicles. Our usage down.
because of that the tax revenues to the feds, State and local level has dropped off. Oregon is trying to float a user tax based on miles driven.

We need and require more refineries to keep production of finish product in supply and this myth of changing blends from summer to winter! Americans need more ROI when we exercise Oil leases to Oil companies who do the production.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:40 PM
 
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If production is up domestically and we still have steady supplies from South America and the Middle East?

Way is the Department of Energy and Obama trying to stabilize price and the speculators really drive me crazy. They raise pricing when there is no shortage?

What up with that?
What is up with that is basic microeconomics. The slope of the demand curve for petroleum is extremely steep, the oil companies can charge $4/gallon because they know we'll pay it. It's not like most of the US has the kind of infrastructure that gives most Americans the option not to pay it.
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Old 04-17-2014, 02:43 AM
 
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What is up with that is basic microeconomics. The slope of the demand curve for petroleum is extremely steep, the oil companies can charge $4/gallon because they know we'll pay it. It's not like most of the US has the kind of infrastructure that gives most Americans the option not to pay it.
The "oil companies" do not directly set the price. In a way you are right but it's not the "oil companies". If the demand was set by those who directly use it, the price would be lower.
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Old 04-17-2014, 03:16 AM
 
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The US is just to wild and untamed compared to Europe. The difference is the US is a Oil Producer and we should enjoy gas price we had $2.50 mark. Europe does not produce a drop of crude.

America has shift directions on vehicles and it does take about 8 years to get people in more efficient vehicles. Our usage down.
because of that the tax revenues to the feds, State and local level has dropped off. Oregon is trying to float a user tax based on miles driven.

We need and require more refineries to keep production of finish product in supply and this myth of changing blends from summer to winter! Americans need more ROI when we exercise Oil leases to Oil companies who do the production.
Sigh. we JUST became a oil producer.

So suddenly supply and demand no longer applies? I thought you believed in capitalism? Apparently not eh comrade?

Ahhh and raise the taxes (effectively) on our free market capitalist oil producers hey? Excellent idea comrade!

OK enough sarcasm. Ive pointed out that suddenly lower taxes and free ranging capitalism arent your thing really....maybe you should step over to the liberal table and take a look. We're not evil socialists, many just feel that big capital is a problem, and the lease underpayments you refer to and all the other shenanigans actually do matter.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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Default Comrade are you Kidding!

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Sigh. we JUST became a oil producer.

So suddenly supply and demand no longer applies? I thought you believed in capitalism? Apparently not eh comrade?

Ahhh and raise the taxes (effectively) on our free market capitalist oil producers hey? Excellent idea comrade!

OK enough sarcasm. Ive pointed out that suddenly lower taxes and free ranging capitalism arent your thing really....maybe you should step over to the liberal table and take a look. We're not evil socialists, many just feel that big capital is a problem, and the lease underpayments you refer to and all the other shenanigans actually do matter.

Capitalism is the way to go. My bigger point is the US is a Oil producing Country. Our price should be much lower due to our supply is here in the USA. Leases you are probably correct and its a deal that benefits BLM, not so much a return to the American people like affordable fuel;

Supply and demands are important, but we sell our so called surplus to other Nations. Instead of making our market a little less money at the pump.

On the other hand the oil guys make too many grades of fuel which do affect cost. Most cars do not need High test fuel.

You folks on the other side sound like it is acceptable to over pay for product and you like paying more . There is some wrong here.

I am on a budget and I need the best price. Go ahead shop at the mall for 30%higher prices. I will buy the same product at Wal-Mart for a fair price!
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Gas is too High!

Get real.

It's spring, people.

Maybe this forum is full of youngsters with no perspective on what's been going on for decades now.

Big oil always jacks up prices this time of year.

Because they can. And the public will pay. Because there's no viable alternative.

"Free market?"

Sure...
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Capitalism is the way to go. My bigger point is the US is a Oil producing Country. Our price should be much lower due to our supply is here in the USA. Leases you are probably correct and its a deal that benefits BLM, not so much a return to the American people like affordable fuel;

Supply and demands are important, but we sell our so called surplus to other Nations. Instead of making our market a little less money at the pump.

On the other hand the oil guys make too many grades of fuel which do affect cost. Most cars do not need High test fuel.

You folks on the other side sound like it is acceptable to over pay for product and you like paying more . There is some wrong here.

I am on a budget and I need the best price. Go ahead shop at the mall for 30%higher prices. I will buy the same product at Wal-Mart for a fair price!
Why would we want to sell gas cheap here when we can make much more money on the international market? You say you support capitalism, but think gas should be socialized to keep the price low for you.
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