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Old 04-13-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Sure, we're doing a lousy job. That's because we had to compromise with Republicans.
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Sure, we're doing a lousy job. That's because we had to compromise with Republicans.
Oh? What did you have to compromise on?
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If you want access to health care for everyone, then you're doing a lousy job of it. You actually want control over everyone. That's why liberals are neither compassionate nor altruistic. Thanks.
Exactly.

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Old 04-13-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Really smart people are disproportionately likely to be really into The Lord of the Rings. I think really smart people just enjoy fantasy.
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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...... Liberals likewise pine for a society where failure is rewarded and where effort and success is penalized and discouraged.......
Using health care as an example again, yes we want even people who are failures to have access to health care, rather than tossing them out on the street to die if they come to the ER without insurance. And yes, rich people have to pay more than poor people into such a system.

It's not very efficient, is it? And yet all other industrialized nations have some form of universal health care ..... somehow it doesn't seem to have discouraged their successful people from working, nor did it shatter their economies.
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Using health care as an example again, yes we want even people who are failures to have access to health care, rather than tossing them out on the street to die if they come to the ER without insurance. And yes, rich people have to pay more than poor people into such a system.

It's not very efficient, is it? And yet all other industrialized nations have some form of universal health care ..... somehow it doesn't seem to have discouraged their successful people from working, nor did it shatter their economies.
Wow, liberals sure are good at spending other peoples' money and then not taking credit for the failure of their ideas!
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Maybe you should have your life examined.

"An unexamined life is not worth living."- Socks

"Altruism is notruism."-Hyperthetic
I don't think you really understand what Einstein was talking about. Perhaps if you knew the rest of the quote it would make it a little more clear. He wasn't talking about altruism for altruism's sake, and he wasn't talking about forced altruism. He was talking about altruism for personal gain, done voluntarily in return for a kind of happiness that far surpasses the happiness derived from material possessions.

It is no accident that the most intelligent among us choose science as opposed to careers where their intellegence can be used for monetary gain. Most of those Wall Street "titans" are second tier to our scientists. You think they might know something about life and the universe that is lost on the less bright? They are looking to change the world for the better, and yes, a lot of money sometimes goes hand in hand with that, but the drive for personal gain is not nearly as motivating as the drive to improve the lives of others.
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Using health care as an example again, yes we want even people who are failures to have access to health care, rather than tossing them out on the street to die if they come to the ER without insurance. And yes, rich people have to pay more than poor people into such a system.

It's not very efficient, is it? And yet all other industrialized nations have some form of universal health care ..... somehow it doesn't seem to have discouraged their successful people from working, nor did it shatter their economies.
That's because they have REGRESSIVE tax systems, instead of the progressive tax system we have:



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Old 04-13-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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That's because they have REGRESSIVE tax systems, instead of the progressive tax system we have
They also have citizens who have been groomed for decades to accept what they are told and doctors who aren't subject to our litigation. In other words, if you tell a Canadian to (basically) go home and plan for death, they do. If you tell an American -- even one who is homeless -- to just go away and get ready for death, all you'll hear is screaming about it for 50 years, patient advocacy, lawyers, and ultimately the spending of hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars for care.
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Using health care as an example again, yes we want even people who are failures to have access to health care, rather than tossing them out on the street to die if they come to the ER without insurance. And yes, rich people have to pay more than poor people into such a system.

It's not very efficient, is it? And yet all other industrialized nations have some form of universal health care ..... somehow it doesn't seem to have discouraged their successful people from working, nor did it shatter their economies.
If you want more of something, the sure way to get it is subsidize it. Liberals created an entire subset of society which was unable to support itself known as the "welfare state" because of its ignorance of human nature.

Millions of people over several generations were sentenced to poverty, dependence, and squalor because of liberal ignorance and "compassion".

They refuse to take ownership of this fiasco or to admit the basic flaw in their philosophy despite the clear and present evidence. They simply take their failed philosophy and try to paint it as something new and subject more poor people to a system of dependence in order to strengthen the political power of the state.

The liberal nirvana is a complete tyranny where government is the parent they never had. Who takes care of every area of their lives that they are not too irresponsible to take responsibility for.

They refuse to accept the simplest law of nature that for every action there is a reaction.
When you give someone charity, you take away their self respect. A person without self respect is crippled and dependent on the giver of the charity, which is government.

Perhaps I am mistaken about liberals motives though. Perhaps they do what they do to the poor not out of misplaced compassion, but because they seek to keep the poor on their knees out of hate. Perhaps it is the liberals who want to see the poor suffer and never achieve any degree of self respect and independence.
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