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Old 04-14-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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When did the federal government turn into Bolsheviks and want siege everybody's land?
november 22, 1963
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Be interesting to take a look at the master plan for such an area. Often these are useful in back tracking plans in regards to PPPs. Important to track down who is involved and to follow the money.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Austin
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It seems that I read some information, some time back, concerning a law on the books stating that if land owned by the federal government was not producing anything to benefit the said state on an economic basis that the land had to be returned to the state. Seems like it also involved the percentage the government could own.

Is anyone familiar with a law on that regard?
No, but maybe it's time for the Feds to return all land to the states.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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There is an old story here in New England about the Yankee river bottom farmer that suffered through a massive flood. The river changed its course and, as the state boundary is the West bank of the river, moved the fellow from Vermont to New Hampshire. When he was asked what he thought of the situation he commented that it was a good thing because "I just could not stand another Vermont winter".

I have no idea what these Texans are complaining about. The BLM is the country's biggest welfare agent. When the BLM and the Forest Service start charging the same rate for grazing land the private owners charge the government will gain some credibility.

Kibby - Thanks for posting that information while I was creating my little missive. Texas and Oklahoma - Yeah, it had to be about oil.
In Michigan, they managed to get the guy fired who was heading up the misnamed feral pig crusade after the farmers started fighting back. That looked like that "agency" was being used to help out local Big Agro. Can lead to land grabs also. Not sure what has been happening recently there.
Michigan Declares War on Family Pig Farmers
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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If the BLM is successful it would affect many land owners along the Texas/Oklahoma border. The difference between this and the Bundy Ranch case is that this rancher has the deed to the land and has paid taxes on it for decades.



RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers
I don't get this whole thing anyway, what is it about a wide open range, with prairie grass that demands this man provide compensation to our federal government? Does it cost the government money to grow the grass the cattle eat? Is BLM sending out employees our with large plastic "dogie bags" to pick up the cow patties?
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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Be interesting to take a look at the master plan for such an area. Often these are useful in back tracking plans in regards to PPPs. Important to track down who is involved and to follow the money.
Maybe that land it prime real estate for a, taxpayer subsidized green energy corp to build a gigantic solar array or wind farm.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Maybe that land it prime real estate for a, taxpayer subsidized green energy corp to build a gigantic solar array or wind farm.
Like the Harry Reid plan in NV? Looks like that one got cancelled. I wonder if the publicity killed it.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I don't get this whole thing anyway, what is it about a wide open range, with prairie grass that demands this man provide compensation to our federal government? Does it cost the government money to grow the grass the cattle eat? Is BLM sending out employees our with large plastic "dogie bags" to pick up the cow patties?
In this case it's closer to scrub land than grass lands.

The rationale for overseeing public grazing lands is here:

DOI: BLM: Livestock Grazing
The unregulated grazing that took place before enactment of the Taylor Grazing Act caused unintended damage to soil, plants, streams, and springs. As a result, grazing management was initially designed to increase productivity and reduce soil erosion by controlling grazing through both fencing and water projects and by conducting forage surveys to balance forage demands with the land’s productivity (“carrying capacity”)....
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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Maybe that land it prime real estate for a, taxpayer subsidized green energy corp to build a gigantic solar array or wind farm.
Global Inc is gaining serious momentum these days. Just look at the IMF, OECD etc...

One can tie it into AG21 and redevelopment agencies. Important to look at the agencies, connections, financing, bonds etc....The general trend is to acquire more land and make money in the process. Master Plans are part of Best Practices so very useful for information. Regional Plans are also part of this. This has been going on for sometime just becoming increasingly more apparent, as people start to pay attention and as the players push harder and harder.
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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The Fed's "own" the land because the land was not "owned" by anyone when a Territory became a State ..... that is not the case with the Red River that forms the border between Texas and Oklahoma. FED's also own land that they have purchased for Military installations of all sorts.

The Maps that are in the pdf files at the BLM website on this new "land grab" show clearly that the only BLM "land" is the river bed that they laid claim to in an Oil rights case in 1918.

"BLM officials believe they have a responsibility to manage land they believe is federal which includes an estimated 90,000 acres along 116 miles of the Red River."

Think about that for a minute - the FED's want to add 90,000 acres to the river bed (which is the only part they claim to "own") over a 116 miles stretch. It's the only part of the Red River they claim to "own".

This particular 'land grab' has to do with Oil and Gas Leases and Royalties. It's not like there is going to be any big "Stand Off" between Ranchers/Farmers and the FED's - they want what is UNDER the ground of that River Bed.
As the petro dollars changes continue at an exponential rate, this will also continue. The BRICS are major players here. Sovereign debt issues are heating up in a big way.
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