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Old 04-16-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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No, when you don't pay your rent, and refuse to move, the landlord gets a court judgment against you and the authorities then enforce the eviction order.
This is the court order against Bundy: United States of America v. Bundy - Document 35
Okay and where was the eviction? The over 200 federal agents , snipers, and helicopter? Seriously you people are pathetic , Hitler would of been proud tho. Where is all the outrage and cry when you have so many political officials getting away with millions , the government screwing YOU people out of your tax money, and the money given to illegal aliens crossing the border here huh? Yeah turn blind eye for the government but screw the american people is your motto i see.

I hope you dont call yourselves americans , disgraceful.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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I would like someone to enforce the actual law and not the supposed law. Have the marshals Investigate, present the case to a Grand Jury, indict if the evidence indicated and have the Court issue an appropriate warrant and execute the warrant as required by LAW. How the rancher responds is his decision. How the marshals respond is specified in the Law and not their choice.
I have seen reports of 80+% of NV land being owned or managed by feds.

This is very imbalanced.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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Why does the fed own land outside of DC?
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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Why does the fed own land outside of DC?
In the Nevada case The United States 'acquired' the land from Mexico. Land was then 'homesteaded' out and became privately owned. The federal government retained the non-homesteaded margin lands that nobody wanted. When Nevada became a state the federal lands were specifically not transferred to State control.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/2014/0...lands/7794823/
Nevada's Constitution further reflects the enabling act: "That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."

Federal Lands are the Public's Land!
How did Nevada differ in the Amount of Lands Acquired from the Federal Public Lands?

Upon admission states were given two sections of public land in each township for schools. Nevada, however, did not want those scattered "desert" lands. Instead Nevada petitioned Congress to trade those sections for 1 million acres of Sage land anywhere in the state. Congress ultimately granted Nevada a choice of any 2 million acres of unappropriated lands. Nevada selected 2 million acres of the best land (near or with water) and promptly sold all of it to private uses

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Old 04-16-2014, 09:18 PM
 
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In the Nevada case The United States 'acquired' the land from Mexico. Land was then 'homesteaded' out and became privately owned. The federal government retained the non-homesteaded margin lands that nobody wanted. When Nevada became a state the federal lands were specifically not transferred to State control.

Ask the RGJ: Who released Nevada's public lands?
Nevada's Constitution further reflects the enabling act: "That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."

Federal Lands are the Public's Land!
How did Nevada differ in the Amount of Lands Acquired from the Federal Public Lands?

Upon admission states were given two sections of public land in each township for schools. Nevada, however, did not want those scattered "desert" lands. Instead Nevada petitioned Congress to trade those sections for 1 million acres of Sage land anywhere in the state. Congress ultimately granted Nevada a choice of any 2 million acres of unappropriated lands. Nevada selected 2 million acres of the best land (near or with water) and promptly sold all of it to private uses

That goes totally against Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution.
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Old 04-16-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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In the Nevada case The United States 'acquired' the land from Mexico. Land was then 'homesteaded' out and became privately owned. The federal government retained the non-homesteaded margin lands that nobody wanted. When Nevada became a state the federal lands were specifically not transferred to State control.

Ask the RGJ: Who released Nevada's public lands?
Nevada's Constitution further reflects the enabling act: "That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States."

Federal Lands are the Public's Land!
How did Nevada differ in the Amount of Lands Acquired from the Federal Public Lands?

Upon admission states were given two sections of public land in each township for schools. Nevada, however, did not want those scattered "desert" lands. Instead Nevada petitioned Congress to trade those sections for 1 million acres of Sage land anywhere in the state. Congress ultimately granted Nevada a choice of any 2 million acres of unappropriated lands. Nevada selected 2 million acres of the best land (near or with water) and promptly sold all of it to private uses
Is there a reason you stopped at the Bundy's purchasing the grazing rights along with having to maintain their part of the range called the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887. Except BLM never held up their part and Harry Reid wants to sell this land for a solar panel plant to the Chinese, heard that has fallen through. Sure Reid is not done just as he has said........ Old moldy Harry Reid has got a grudge, hope he loses his cush job!


Just how does 500 head of cattle qualify as land being used by people? Land that the state and government never wanted in the first place. Is our government out of money.....sure China would love to own wasteland for debt owed and build any unregulated plant on it they want to! After all who will stop them?
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:01 PM
 
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Is there a reason you stopped at the Bundy's purchasing the grazing rights along with having to maintain their part of the range called the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887. Except BLM never held up their part and Harry Reid wants to sell this land for a solar panel plant to the Chinese, heard that has fallen through. Sure Reid is not done just as he has said........ Old moldy Harry Reid has got a grudge, hope he loses his cush job!


Just how does 500 head of cattle qualify as land being used by people? Land that the state and government never wanted in the first place. Is our government out of money.....sure China would love to own wasteland for debt owed and build any unregulated plant on it they want to! After all who will stop them?
I can't quote too much without a mod cutting it. Bundy leased (not purchased) grazing rights for renewable set terms but stopped making payments and abiding by the lease agreement back in 1993. As noted in an earlier post the solar farm is not at this location. The 2 proposed solar farms are 40 and 180 miles away. The Chinese proposal fell through years ago.

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Okay and where was the eviction? The over 200 federal agents , snipers, and helicopter?
The eviction was the cattle from the federal lands, not Bundy from his home on his private property. The agents were called in because of the protests and attempts to stop the roundup.

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That goes totally against Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution.
Nevada became a state during the Civil War so there were other considerations - so blame Lincoln and the Union Congress for this exception. Many liberties were taken with laws/procedures in this period. I believe Nevada has a case (but don't know if they'd win) to assume the land - but they haven't pursued it.
Why the Nevada vs. BLM Land Ownership Issue is Confusing | Peace . Gold . LOVE
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:29 PM
 
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If the BLM is successful it would affect many land owners along the Texas/Oklahoma border. The difference between this and the Bundy Ranch case is that this rancher has the deed to the land and has paid taxes on it for decades.



RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers
The government said that they would back off in forcing him off the property, they never said that they wouldn't pursue him in court. He owes like over a million in back taxes for his actions.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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I have seen reports of 80+% of NV land being owned or managed by feds.

This is very imbalanced.
they offered to give it to people

nobody wanted it, at the time.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:11 AM
 
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That goes totally against Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution.
that doesn't prohibit the federal government from owning land

it just outlines one particular way in which it can own land
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