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I weary of the drum beat of fear that drives our country yet I doubt it will change anytime soon. I am not and never will be on the side of banning anyone from immigrating based on their religion and I'm not bloody religious. It goes against the principles of our country to do so. Our culture is strong enough to survive an influx.
Beyond that, the idea is laughable. Majority, minority, doesn't matter. Take either or both, sit them down and you'll find even among their groups they don't agree on the most basic of ideas yet we'll believe for one second a new group with radically different beliefs will waltz in and populate in such numbers that they'll be able to win both the majority vote and then silence the minority? In what world does this happen?
You have to drag us kicking and screaming to the slightest of changes but Muslims are just going to sneakily take over because... They're super stealthy religious ninjas with amped up cult of personalities? Bless.
There are quite a few actually. The fundamentalist sections of Islam, no, forget it but the rest don't much care. I know a great many Muslims. We've discussed their religion at length and not one of them has ever cared that I was gay.
So Islamic extremist be allowed to immigrated to America Yes or No?
" The official radio report quoted from BRÅ (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention) refuses to mention the M-word in the socialist-suffocated Sweden, a country held hostage by the extreme left. But when you contact senior police and government sources they confirm (anonymous in fear of losing their jobs) that these numbers represent Muslims. And a majority of these rapes and sexual assaults are caused by Malmström’s new arrivals, the asylum seekers."
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A better question is why is the swedish government making such an effort to obfuscate the fact that most of the rapes are being committed by muslims? Are they conducting the usual European appeasement strategy, hoping not to become a target of muslims the way Holland did with the cartoon controversy? Ask Spain and so many others how well that policy worked out.
Jihad as it is applied in the west is simply "struggle" and is applied to personal struggles to live a more Godly life, or to affect the surrounding culture in a godly way. I may disagree with their desired result, but if they are using legal methods, it is their right.
-NoCapo
The issue is that they don't use legal methods consistently enough. Instead, this behavior is becoming consistent:
The west will not put up with this any longer, despite any pleas to view Muslim ideology as a disparate collection of ideologies. It isn't our ideology to parse nor to solve the problems of. The violence of Islam is not our burden to bear, despite any attempts to shame us into doing so. Islam must integrate with us and Islam has proven that it cannot control itself.
You would also label me "Hitler" for deriding the ideology that inspired events like the Boston Bombing.
You cynically twist the memory of WWII for your own political gain. How sick. Did your grandfather fight the Germans? No? Mine did. You can march on down the road with your cynical, disrespectful, self-serving Hitler comparisons and leave the adults to speak in peace. Also, Islam is an ideology and not a "people". Your accusations fail in their semantics as well as in their rhetoric.
So to avoid being hypocritical you are going to ban Christian immigration too right? Or is there a convenient statute of limitations of atrocities that happens to line up with the timeline of the group you identify with?
Lets face it, virtually all ideologies have been "malignant" at some point. It doesn't mean that all holders of the ideology are evil, or that they are irredeemable. Yes there are Muslim extremeists. No they are not the majority, and no they are not in charge. Lets not help the extremists out by treating all Muslims like suicide bombers. That is the fastest way to make your fears reality.
-NoCapo
Are Christians commit suicide bombing?
Are Christians committing forced marriages and rape of little girls some as young as 9?
Are Christians committing hijackings of Planes and large ships?
Yes their is a statue of limitations its The Great Awakening And Enlightenment. They are this barbaric in the modern age..
This moral equivalence and relativism between non sequiturs is a joke..
When they get a hold of a WMD, I can only hope you change your tune...or not, you think if you are the friend of the Islam some how the Jihadist will lose steam, be seen as a less legitimate force, that Muslims around the world will reject them...The truth of the matter is they will not, they do not condemn them in mass, nor speak out against them...
To quote Dietrich Bonhoeffer
"Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
You think that because of your good will, it will be reciprocated...It has not and will not be...
Google this quote..
"Do you think because you're more enlightened than the rest of your species we hate you any less?"
So the question is what to do? I have given my thoughts, maintain and strengthen the wall of separation between Church and State, and enforce the laws fairly and vigorously. What other paths are available to us? If there another option?
-NoCapo
So, you think that Muslims will comply with the separation of Church and State? Sharia IS Islam according to Muslims. Remember?
The only path is to marginalize and condemn the ideology so that it cannot be openly practiced. As long as it is practiced, violence will occur and Muslims will continuously lobby for their own government.
Western states giving Muslim immigrants their own nations within our nations is not an option but it is what Muslims will continue to demand and move toward "by any means necessary".
If Muslims will not give up Islam, then they need to leave. Those are the choices.
As far as I'm concerned, a national language (English) should be established for consistency and security sake.
Other than that, your cultural heritage is completely irrelevant to your ability to contribute to this country as a productive, law-abiding citizen. Our laws basically establish our "values." (equality, etc.)
The interesting situation in the OECD countries is the birth / death rates. Immigration is required of nearly every Western country to replace death rates of the next 20-30 years, otherwise there is a population decline.
This is not a special phenomenon. Wealthier (OECD) countries have lower rates of birth to begin with, because familial units are more stable.
Oh but it is Erick. Out Cultural heritage is the bedrock on with this nation was founded on, and will remain long after your mental illnesses masquerading as ideologies has been lowered into the its grave of failure in the graveyard of history..
And maybe if they had a economy of growth, and kicked the cultural marxism into the trash hap they would have a high population growth, or any population growth..
Furthermore if their was not a supply of cheap labor wont the value of labor increase?
Wont that help the working class and youth?
Why souls you have to import cultures that harm a nation?
Should Israel be forced to take in Islamic radicals, or Nazis?
True, but do we put in the time to find the radical Muslims vs the vast majority who aren't (99%) who are valuable members of our society. I suggest we identify the radicals and deport them, even if they are citizens. But, we should also try to identify the Timothy Mcveighs and David Kareshes too.
Sorry, 1st Amendment protects them...Also if you see what their views were about the Federal Government becoming more and more tyrannical, they are so spot on.
And let me guess, any who believes anything else then what you do must be a "radical", like a following of the Constitutions, support releasable immigration limits, supports and defends the 2nd Amendment, ect?
There are roughly 2.6 million Muslims in the United states as of 2010. From an anti muslim site, I have found 70 instances of "terrorism" by Muslims... Since 1972. Even if we were to assume that each act of violence involved say 5 perpetrators, you are looking at 350 people out of 2.6 million over 40+ years!!! You are looking at ~0.135% of Muslims in America. Clearly the vast majority of Muslims in the United States are not engaged in this sort of violence. We are talking about 99.865 % that you are ignoring or unjustly condemning.
How about we focus on the tiny percentage who break the law and are an actual threat, and embrace the other 99% as good hearted people who wish to live in peace with their neighbors and participate in our democratic process?
Sorry, 1st Amendment protects them...Also if you see what their views were about the Federal Government becoming more and more tyrannical, they are so spot on..
Yep, and the First Amendment protects Muslims as well. You can't complain about the tyranny of the government while wanting to use the same tyrannical government to oppress a minority. Well, you can, it is just incredibly hypocritical...
-NoCapo
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