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That will be a good time for our enemies to blow us to smithereens while we are so preoccupied with fighting amongst ourselves. Then what would we have gained, I just don't see that happening.
Unless you've got F-16s, Abrams tanks, and nuclear warheads in your back pocket, you may as well forget about a "civil war." Such folks would be taken out in short order without much effort at all by the police, SWAT, para-military alphabet agencies, and the military. Your AR isn't going to stand up to chemical, biological, nuclear, and other mass destruction weapons, or even typical military weapons these days.
Our government has learned well how to efficiently control the populace from such famously efficient examples such as Hitler's Germany. The model was very effective in controlling any "static" coming from the population, with such organizations as the SS (which had hundreds of sub-agencies), gestapo, special groups of the wehrmacht, and even branches of the Waffen SS. They very effectively curbed any attempt at revolt from the average German. Such an attempt, or even attitude, put a German citizen in the death camps with the rest of the "subhumans." I don't think that would be so far far-fetched here, either. How many times have I read a line about "wiping them all off the map" (referring to those with different political philosophies). Once you've demonized and dehumanized, it's easy to kill en mass.
You may as well forget a revolution and let the police state and enslavement run it's course. Because it will at some point when we all see the folly. Even Hitler may have seen his folly at some point, had he lived.
The bureaucratic agencies that have become militarized, are not the same as the US Army.
CLUE: There are more in the Army that would stand with the people, than fire upon them, as they take their oaths to defend the US Constitution, very seriously.
So to answer your question, the militias have F-16s, Abrams tanks, and nuclear warheads in their back pockets.
This is We The People, not We The Government.
It would be like the union thugs against the big corporate thugs fighting each other in the 1900s; even though the corporates have far less overall popularity, they have money which will buy them at least some thugs/supporters.
I probably coined this incorrectly, a civil uprising is probably a more accurate term. When people reach the point where they can no longer feed their children, i.e., have nothing left to lose, then its showtime - and it is going to get ugly.
The corporate bastards have been pushing and pushing, and the H1B atrocity and the weakening of immigration controls allowing near unfettered illegals is leading up towards a cataclysm this country has not seen in its history. Traveling across the country, one can see the rough, impoverished neighborhoods expanding, especially around the cities, and the tens of millions are simply going to begin attacking corporate symbols, stores, government buildings and workers, and then all hell is going to break loose.
The arab spring is coming to america at an urban center near you...
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Originally Posted by MadisonR
It was obvious by the late '70s actually, when single-parent employment was no longer sufficient and women needed to join the workforce.
Once that is no longer enough, and children are forced to work or become indentured, as the family unit can no longer feed itself - the uprising will begin.
ever stop to think this is what the Progressive/Marxist/Statist/Elitist want?
It occurs to me that it would be quite hard to impose dictatorial rule over a society united by common heritage, common history, common ideals and a love of liberty.
It's a lot easier to rule with an iron fist when the nation is divided by sectarian and ethnic strife, and reeling from the collapse of a welfare state. A divided republic cannot stand
The irony is, the Communist goal is going to leave the party members in charge of 6 billion poor prisoners. At least in the VERY end... The enemies of freedom will be kings, ruling over a kingdom of ****.
I wonder if they will be baffled about the death of the shining cities they saw themselves commanding when they started their war on humanity and freedom, but then again they wont win.
Also surprising, a Pew Research Center poll of all Hispanics, immigrant and citizen alike, found that Hispanics take a dimmer view of capitalism than even people who describe themselves as "liberal Democrats." While 47 percent of self-described "liberal Democrats" hold a negative view of capitalism, 55 percent of Hispanics do.
Seventy-five percent of Hispanic immigrants and 55 percent of Asian immigrants support bigger government—also according to Pew. Even after three generations in America, Hispanics still support bigger government 55 percent to 36 percent, compared to the general public, which opposes bigger government 48 percent to 41 percent.
How are Conservatives Republicans' going to square that circle? It's not their position on amnesty that immigrants don't like; it's Conservatives Republicans' support for small government, gun rights, patriotism, the Constitution and capitalism.
Reading these statistics, does anyone wonder why Democrats think vastly increasing immigration should be the nation's No. 1 priority?
They have to import millions of voters to stack the deck, so they can "Cast ballots Americans are not willing to cost, to elect candidates Americans are not willing to elect, to support leftist ideologies Americans overwhelming reject"
It would be one thing if the people with these views already lived here. Republicans would have no right to say, "You can't vote." But why on Earth are they bringing in people sworn to their political destruction?
Republicans have no obligation to assist the Democrats as they change the country in a way that favors them electorally, particularly when it does great harm to the people already here.
Yes, it's great for the most powerful Americans to have lots of cheap, unskilled labor. Immigration definitely solves the rich's "servant problem."
(Approximately 5 million times a day, MSNBC expresses bewilderment that any Republicans oppose amnesty when it's supported by the Chamber of Commerce. Wow! So even people who profit by flooding the country with cheap labor are in favor of flooding the country with cheap labor!)
It's terrific for ethnic lobbyists whose political clout will skyrocket the more foreign-born Americans we have.
And it's fantastic for the Democrats, who are well on their way to a permanent majority, so they can completely destroy the last remnants of what was once known as "the land of the free."
The only ones opposed to our current immigration policies are the people.
We are seeing how badly it has effected this nation and we are taking action to stop it.
Look what they did to California in less then a decade
America should be and remain America and not degenerate into a 3rd world leftist slum.
This is just more proof we can not keep taking so many people with such uncompatible views if America is to remind America.
Leftist spree us the "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" speech, the truth of the time are Americans are tired, poor and yearning to be free in their own nation their forefathers built and defended,and for what? Taking in people who for the most part don't share the same values and reject our our culture and its views and values bringing with them the failed political ideologies that ruined their home nations to the point the now flee from them, all to ruin this nation help by the Neo Con right that wants cheap labor and the Leftist who need 30,000,000 new entitlement voter when not if but when they are given amnesty so they can "Cast ballots Americans are not willing to cast, to elect candidates Americans are not willing to elect, to support leftist ideologies Americans overwhelming reject"
To reduce this great nation in a 3rd world slum by a bunch of elitist who will rule over a divide, dependent, disarmed America..
And we Americans just stand by and take this all to be spared a few names from people who opinions are worth less then nothing?
Americans will rise to this challenge as we always have, the media is unable to white wash over this and many other problems with their power shirking hour by hour...
The Restoration of Liberty
The Restoration of Freedom
The Restoration of Prosperity
The Restoration of Unity
The Restoration of Our Culture
The Restoration of Innovation
All of this is at head
The American Dawn is almost here, It is always the darkest and coldest before the dawn..Stand Fast.
Vote and if necessary Fight like your liberty, life, freedom and prosperity and of your children and their children are at risk, because they are..
This mass jobs transfer destroyed the US' manufacturing base, and combined with the mass reduction of wages and career options for everyone from construction and IT workers due to the importation of cheap foreign labor - enable by compliant, tone-deaf congress whose primary goal is to satisfy its corporate benefactors - will lead to an inevitable uprising.
The idea of a civil war is ridiculous, but we do need to something about jobs.
A lot of our job losses are due to automation. Machines now do many tasks that used to be done by people.
The lower skilled jobs that remained were the most vulnerable to cheap labor, and thus they went elsewhere.
What's really unfortunate is that after a while, higher skilled work tends to follow as well. A great deal of innovation and technological expertise is developed on the factory floor. So when the work goes away the skills and innovation are gradually weakened, too.
The bureaucratic agencies that have become militarized, are not the same as the US Army.
CLUE: There are more in the Army that would stand with the people, than fire upon them, as they take their oaths to defend the US Constitution, very seriously.
So to answer your question, the militias have F-16s, Abrams tanks, and nuclear warheads in their back pockets.
This is We The People, not We The Government.
I could hope you are right. But you have much more faith in that than I do. The same could have been said for the armies of many of what ended up being the "bad guys" from the past.
Gun loving "patriotic" Americans, the ones who trained guns on Federal agents recently, have been itching for a "civil war" for years, the problem is they have the mouth of Ted Nugent with the spine to match. In short, they don't have the onions to either start one or fight one, but they love to talk about how one is inevitable in America.
I say if you want one, then go out and fire the first shot. I got my popcorn ready and am betting on Uncle Sam.
Gun loving "patriotic" Americans, the ones who trained guns on Federal agents recently, have been itching for a "civil war" for years, the problem is they have the mouth of Ted Nugent with the spine to match. In short, they don't have the onions to either start one or fight one, but they love to talk about how one is inevitable in America.
I say if you want one, then go out and fire the first shot. I got my popcorn ready and am betting on Uncle Sam.
Gun loving "patriotic" Americans, the ones who trained guns on Federal agents recently, have been itching for a "civil war" for years, the problem is they have the mouth of Ted Nugent with the spine to match. In short, they don't have the onions to either start one or fight one, but they love to talk about how one is inevitable in America.
I say if you want one, then go out and fire the first shot. I got my popcorn ready and am betting on Uncle Sam.
This is true. And just as with Germany through 1933 to about 1943, it would have been insane to bet against Hitler in a standoff between his Reich and the common citizen along for the ride in Germany. The German commoner wouldn't have had a prayer against the tyranny of the time. But again, as I said, these regimes do tend to run their course sooner or later.
The trick is to disconnect yourself from it as much as possible and try to minimize the damage to your personal life. Ride the storm out. A selfish attitude to be sure, but there isn't much alternative in our nation right now. Come hell or high water, we are going to (by God) go down the same failed path so many other nations have foundered upon.
Unless you've got F-16s, Abrams tanks, and nuclear warheads in your back pocket, you may as well forget about a "civil war." Such folks would be taken out in short order without much effort at all by the police, SWAT, para-military alphabet agencies, and the military. Your AR isn't going to stand up to chemical, biological, nuclear, and other mass destruction weapons, or even typical military weapons these days.
Our government has learned well how to efficiently control the populace from such famously efficient examples such as Hitler's Germany. The model was very effective in controlling any "static" coming from the population, with such organizations as the SS (which had hundreds of sub-agencies), gestapo, special groups of the wehrmacht, and even branches of the Waffen SS. They very effectively curbed any attempt at revolt from the average German. Such an attempt, or even attitude, put a German citizen in the death camps with the rest of the "subhumans." I don't think that would be so far far-fetched here, either. How many times have I read a line about "wiping them all off the map" (referring to those with different political philosophies). Once you've demonized and dehumanized, it's easy to kill en mass.
You may as well forget a revolution and let the police state and enslavement run it's course. Because it will at some point when we all see the folly. Even Hitler may have seen his folly at some point, had he lived.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
The bureaucratic agencies that have become militarized, are not the same as the US Army.
CLUE: There are more in the Army that would stand with the people, than fire upon them, as they take their oaths to defend the US Constitution, very seriously.
So to answer your question, the militias have F-16s, Abrams tanks, and nuclear warheads in their back pockets.
This is We The People, not We The Government.
Great post BentBow..
Furthermore any government that uses Air-power and Weapons Of Mass Destruction against their own people wanting to over throw corruption and tyranny and replace it liberty and limited government..By default have lost any and all moral and legality authority and right to govern..
Furthermore lets look at the 14,000,000 Veterans in this nation..Think they might have a Ax to grind, Think they might be willing to settle a score or two with the feds and put their training and experience to good work?
ChrisC Remember Chris Doerner? Remember how much damage he was able to do after he leaked his manifesto and his plans, even with half the state of California looking for him?
Now just think of 1000 Ex-Marine Force Recon members working all cross this nation taking our the garage?
Removing people who reward criminals and thieves, who import 1.1 million people both legally and illegal into this nation for their own goals, that America and all Americans..
Those 1000 Ex-Marines have the support of about half the nation about 90% of the Law Enforcement and the National Guard...
That is not factoring in 120,000,000 Gun Owners, and 70% of the active military.
120,000,000 Gun Owners and 700,000 Active military members vs maybe 20,00 Jack Booted Thugs "Just Obeying Orders"..It would be over in just a few days, Most of Congress arrested a massive number of laws repealed, The Supreme Court "Convinced" to review a few past cases....
It will be a battle of wills, When you have nothing left to loss You have everything in the world to gain...
Live Free or Die.
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