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Old 04-25-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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I thought Obama was going to fix everything? Not!
It was sad how people believed Obama was for the little guy when in fact Obama was for protecting "wealth" and by doing so hurt the little guy. I'll say it again, if Obama ran on raising taxes on the truly wealthy he wouldn't be president today.

Oh well, we all are suffering the bad consequences of Obama supporters.
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Old 04-25-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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two points.

first Canada has seen a massive uptick in Oil and Natural Gas production due to the dreaded fracking and oil sands technology.

second, the American middle class as erroded while its government has been led by the most liberal democrat in a generation.


Yea. it sucks to be us. mostly because we have twice elected and idiot president.
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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What is there to debate? I wouldn't have picked your source, but the fact that the American middle class isn't the most wealthy is not a disputable fact. What we have is the largest middle class, at least in raw numbers anyway.

There are now more middle class people in China, and even India isn't that far behind.

So the USA no longer has the largest population of middle class people, and it turns out that the Canadian middle class is more affluent, and those from several European countries not that far behind.

Why the shock when instead of minding our own business, we are spending time worrying about Ukraine, which is really more a concern to Europe, than it is to us? And when we aren't we are doing what Israel orders us to do in the Middle East.
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:49 PM
 
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Let's see here, the poor pay no federal income tax (well, nearly half the country pays no federal income tax), and the very rich get so many tax breaks that they pay a lower rate than most of the middle class, and you think the answer is to raise taxes on the middle class?

"Hey, we're almost out of gas."

"Well, pour the rest out and we'll be fine."

Except that the poor in the USA are amongst the poorest in the 20 richest nations. I don't think that the poor are getting as great a deal here as you imply.
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:55 PM
 
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And thank god they are doing their job because if Obama had his way we would be a 3rd world country. Don't worry, he's got a couple more years to achieve your dream.

Bush drove into a ditch that Obama has difficulty getting us out of, but clearly there has been a significant growth in jobs and now there are MORE jobs than when George Bush left office in 2009.

Obama clearly hasn't been much good at stimulating the economy, which BTW is showing more resilience than that of most advanced nations.

It is ridiculous for the GOP to run away and pretend as if they didn't have anything to do with the disaster of October 2008, when we all thought that the world was going to end, and we would be even worse off than in 1929. Obama was NOT president then.

So I don't see how recycling Bush's policies can be a solution.
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Old 04-26-2014, 11:58 PM
 
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If Obama is “fighting for the middle class,†why doesn’t he approve the Keystone Pipeline?
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Maybe because he saw how damaging the BP disaster was in the Gulf and fears that the impact on the areas surrounding the pipeline will be even worse, given the environmental disaster on their agriculture if the water table becomes contaminated.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:00 AM
 
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However the middle class has fared, they are still better off than any middle class anywhere. Poor people in America live in larger accommodations than the European middle class. Necessities and amenities are more available to the American poor than most European middle classes, not to mention to non-European ones.

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Poor Americans are much worse off than the poor in Europe and Canada are. Canadians are now better off, despite adopting practices that the lunatic right will damn as "socialist".
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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two points.



Yea. it sucks to be us. mostly because we have twice elected and idiot president.

the middle class began to decline in 1980, so why is it Obama's fault? Seems like Reagan shares some blame here.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:05 AM
 
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The Chinese have the right values to actually dominate in the 21st century, Americans have become dumb, lazy, and myopically self-centered, it's why globalism has done a number on the US economy. Anything else to counter that is just blind patriotism.

Valid point. We mistook an anomoly (post WWII, world in ruins, no competition, and after WWII took folks out of the workforce for good, an undersupply of labor with peak demand for goods) for what life would be like..forever. We were number one not too long ago in the ratio of citizens who had graduated from higher education. Last I saw, we had fallen to tenth. So as the world became increasingly educated, we rested on our laurels, and slid backwards.

Globalism simply allowed other nations to compete with us. I remember an America that, at one time, did not fear competition. It welcomed it, and it won. Now we whine.
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:24 AM
 
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that's liberal politics for ya. ensure only the super rich stay rich while kicking those trying to get ahead back down with the lower class.
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