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View Poll Results: Should the US keep the internet Neutral ? (Net Neutrality)
Yes 104 73.24%
No 37 26.06%
I don't care 1 0.70%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2014, 11:09 AM
bUU
 
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Lawyers have been clear that this proposal will transform the internet. ISPs as of now do not discriminate based on websites in terms of bandwidth.
They effectively do.

What changes here is the momentum. Until now, the momentum was toward changing things in the direct of net neutrality. The FCC's action here effectively arrests that momentum, and directs things toward a codification of something very similar to the status quo, with protections against it getting pushed any further toward the ISP's favor.

 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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They effectively do.

What changes here is the momentum. Until now, the momentum was toward changing things in the direct of net neutrality. The FCC's action here effectively arrests that momentum, and directs things toward a codification of something very similar to the status quo, with protections against it getting pushed any further toward the ISP's favor.
If they're allowed to, the internet would adopt the cable model.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:25 AM
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Yes: Charging every website and web service for the privilege of passing even their small data packets across the ISP's network.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Net neutrality is not what is in effect right now.
If I pull up CNN my limits are based on the what I'm paying the ISP for and whatever CNN's servers can provide.

If I pull up my own site my limits are based on what I'm paying my ISP for and whatever my server can provide.

That is net neutrality in it's essence and how it's been operated since it's inception. The ISP who sits between the consumer and the content provider doesn't give any preference to CNN or my site.

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Also, the ISPs never had control of the money generated by content provided by services available through the Internet.

Small content providers face more direct difficulties from dealing with large MSOs than they face from large ISPs.
I never said they did but that is what can happen. As a small content provider my greatest concern from the competition is them writing a big fat check to the ISP for preferential treatment. I'm already paying a lot of money for a very fast server and bandwidth.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:46 AM
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If I pull up CNN my limits are based on the what I'm paying the ISP for and whatever CNN's servers can provide.
That's not the entirety of what net neutrality involves. CNN is not the issue.

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I'm already paying a lot of money for a very fast server and bandwidth.
You're paying for (a) what you're explicitly promised in the Ts&Cs, and (b) what provisions above and beyond that the government secures for you through its regulation of the industry.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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In part, sure, as well it should be.
Which is where we part and the rest is nothing but fluff.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Lawyers have been clear that this proposal will transform the internet. ISPs as of now do not discriminate based on websites in terms of bandwidth.

Do you even know what net neutrality is? lol
So, what do you do about it?
 
Old 04-28-2014, 12:04 PM
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Which is where we part and the rest is nothing but fluff.
Since, as you said, "we part" at that point, your assessing the rest as "fluff" is "fluff". You simply don't like the reality I outlined for you, and you had no legitimate response, so you posted this instead. Pretty silly rhetorical nonsense you're posing, it seems to me.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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Since, as you said, "we part" at that point, your assessing the rest as "fluff" is "fluff". You simply don't like the reality I outlined for you, and you had no legitimate response, so you posted this instead. Pretty silly rhetorical nonsense you're posing, it seems to me.
I'm sure it does.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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That's not the entirety of what net neutrality involves. CNN is not the issue..
Reread what I have posted, CNN is just an example and could be <insert any site here>

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You're paying for (a) what you're explicitly promised in the Ts&Cs,
This not a shared hosting plan, X amount of bandwidth is allocated to me and if I go over it then I pay more. I specifically picked a host with s fast connection. I'm paying a premium for that and it will be irrelevant if the ISP can throttle the speed.
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