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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
And those who will profit from it's delay (or not getting built at all) will be opposed. Warren Buffet, for one (BNSF Railroad).
Apart from your money interests, there is no good reason to oppose the XL Pipeline. It is good for America. Unfortunately, we have too many people today who don't give a damn about America.
Warren suddenly changed his mind and thinks "it would benefit America".... in other words he will now profit from it. I beleive they cracked up a deal... sickening
Eminent domain is used to get right of way to build telegraph, railroad lines, roads, bridges, electrical transmission lines, pipelines etc...
Eminent domain is not supposed to be used to take property from one citizen to give it to another citizen because the county or state can get more tax revenue from a shopping mall and condos, nor to take someone's land just because some bureaucrat wants more "open space."
The pipeline does not involve a seizure of property, but involves the granting of a right-of-way. Sometimes an owner will object when they lay pipe. You just go around them, it's no big deal.
The pipeline does not involve a seizure of property, but involves the granting of a right-of-way. Sometimes an owner will object when they lay pipe. You just go around them, it's no big deal.
Of course it involves seizure of property-- the right of way is property
If you look at the oil trains coming into Washington state, California, and Utah keeping pump prices down and employing people loading and unloading the oil you wont add jobs but the pipeline will take jobs away. Of course it will be more efficient, less jobs and much of the oil will go to China and India as refined product.
You have it backwards. Shipping by rail is more expensive and dangerous.
You aren't kicked off the land, it's just like when they put in telephone polls and stuff.
A pipeline is significantly different from a telephone line. It takes up space on the ground because it's not raised 40 feet in the air, and comes with significant risk of leaks which means pollution of your ground water. The pipeline also has to be accessible to workers from the pipeline company for maintenance and inspection.
That's strange. there are three refineries in the local (within 20 miles) area, and many oil wells in Wyoming. those refineries are fed both by truck and pipeline. I don't see any such pipelines anywhere around here, they are all underground, and farming or grazing is going on over top of them.
there is also a refinery in Great Falls that is fed by rail, truck, and pipeline. none of the pipelines are above ground, and there is wheat planted above the pipelines!
That is what ONE oil pipeline looks like, but it is NOT what they all look like!
A pipeline is significantly different from a telephone line. It takes up space on the ground because it's not raised 40 feet in the air, and comes with significant risk of leaks which means pollution of your ground water.
This is what an oil pipeline looks like:
Are you suggesting your fellow citizens are that dumb they'll fall for that nonsense?
That is what an oil pipeline looks like in Uzbekistan, NOT in north America unless you look to Alaska where there are miles of the pipeline above the permafrost. The vast majority of your almost 3 million miles of your domestic pipeline, with some being 60 years old, is under the damn ground with the largest proportion of it still being cropped over by farmer's who've been paid for right of way.
In pipelining versus electric transmission lines with towers or poles, the trend is to buy right of way title for the laying of and god-forbid, later emergency access to the pipe under the ground. The company laying the pipe is responsible to make as narrow a corridor and disturb as little of the land as is possible. they are responsible to scrape off the top-soil and keep it separate from underfill so that after the line is laid it gets put back last and the ground is restored to near as previous as possible. In the vast majority of cases crops are planted and cattle graze right over top of the damn thing with no fences to impede this.
Those landowners thusly impacted have signed a deal by which they are compensated for the oil company having unfettered and unrestrained access to the pipline corridor only. They're not out there forcing people off their land. If a pumping transfer/heating station needs a location they try to accommodate that by locating the thing at other than in the middle of a prime acreage for crop planting.
For your edification on underground pipelines versus your idea of pipelines in America here's a link to some maps showing those pipelines already in situe:
Surely you must realize that if all pipelines in the world were of the variety you depicted in your picture you'd have nothing but a country that resembled a rat's nest and would not be able to drive a car one mile without bumping into one of those.
An older but still interesting read about pipelines in general with the little tid-bit about the first domestic long distance pipline, an 8 incher, being laid from Oklahoma to Texas in 1906, it might still be there:
The risk of pipeline leaks are nearly nil, but the risk of train derailments high, or highway accidents involving tankers carrying the oil.
Those who would benefit from the jobs it would create certainly care (and they don't care that "it won't create many" [your words]). It provides needed work for a significant length of time. If you are in need of work, you aren't going to turn your nose up at it, even if it is temporary, are you?
Most of these construction workers go from one job to the next anyway. That is the way of life for them.
Even the Unions are upset with Obama's delay tactics on this.
Nearly nil??
You can't possibly be serious!
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