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I don't think so. Are you saying that we will get no benefit at all from the oil? We're just doing this to help the Canadians, right?
I believe what he is saying is that the 25% that was earmarked for Bakken transport is the ONLY benefit to the U.S.. This of course ignores it's American companies driving the impetus for this thing by modifying their refineries on the Gulf coasts to upgrade this stuff exclusively. It also ignores the fact that it's Americans employed by those refineries.
It ignore the fact that TransCanada does not own the crude, it merely charges a fee for it's transportation.
It's American interests buying the crude through a trade agreement with Canada that gives priority to America at a preferred price. It ignores the fact we'd get more for it if we sold it on the open market. It ignores the fact that those American companies buying it to upgrade and sell abroad, would pay fewer dividends to American shareholders if they had to buy the stuff at premium rates from, oh say, a much more friendly continent like South America and tanker it up to the gulf at their additional expense.
By all means this poster should just go right on carping about a nasty foreign country such as Canada benefitting from this while of course America gets nothing out of the deal whatsoever.
It's YOUR demand driving this damn thing! Stop deflecting with the foreign country crap; you've singlehandedly made a bunch of towel headed Arab Shieks richer than God who then turn around and arm Al Queda to kill you. See anything wrong with this picture at all?
I believe what he is saying is that the 25% that was earmarked for Bakken transport is the ONLY benefit to the U.S.. This of course ignores it's American companies driving the impetus for this thing by modifying their refineries on the Gulf coasts to upgrade this stuff exclusively. It also ignores the fact that it's Americans employed by those refineries.
It ignore the fact that TransCanada does not own the crude, it merely charges a fee for it's transportation.
It's American interests buying the crude through a trade agreement with Canada that gives priority to America at a preferred price. It ignores the fact we'd get more for it if we sold it on the open market. It ignores the fact that those American companies buying it to upgrade and sell abroad, would pay fewer dividends to American shareholders if they had to buy the stuff at premium rates from, oh say, a much more friendly continent like South America and tanker it up to the gulf at their additional expense.
By all means this poster should just go right on carping about a nasty foreign country such as Canada benefitting from this while of course America gets nothing out of the deal whatsoever.
It's YOUR demand driving this damn thing! Stop deflecting with the foreign country crap; you've singlehandedly made a bunch of towel headed Arab Shieks richer than God who then turn around and arm Al Queda to kill you. See anything wrong with this picture at all?
What you're saying is that it benefits the public because it benefits business.
That's not going to cut it. Otherwise you have to also support eminent domain for shopping malls and condo buildings.
Are you suggesting your fellow citizens are that dumb they'll fall for that nonsense?
That is what an oil pipeline looks like in Uzbekistan, NOT in north America unless you look to Alaska where there are miles of the pipeline above the permafrost. The vast majority of your almost 3 million miles of your domestic pipeline, with some being 60 years old, is under the damn ground with the largest proportion of it still being cropped over by farmer's who've been paid for right of way.
In pipelining versus electric transmission lines with towers or poles, the trend is to buy right of way title for the laying of and god-forbid, later emergency access to the pipe under the ground. The company laying the pipe is responsible to make as narrow a corridor and disturb as little of the land as is possible. they are responsible to scrape off the top-soil and keep it separate from underfill so that after the line is laid it gets put back last and the ground is restored to near as previous as possible. In the vast majority of cases crops are planted and cattle graze right over top of the damn thing with no fences to impede this.
Those landowners thusly impacted have signed a deal by which they are compensated for the oil company having unfettered and unrestrained access to the pipline corridor only. They're not out there forcing people off their land. If a pumping transfer/heating station needs a location they try to accommodate that by locating the thing at other than in the middle of a prime acreage for crop planting.
For your edification on underground pipelines versus your idea of pipelines in America here's a link to some maps showing those pipelines already in situe:
Surely you must realize that if all pipelines in the world were of the variety you depicted in your picture you'd have nothing but a country that resembled a rat's nest and would not be able to drive a car one mile without bumping into one of those.
An older but still interesting read about pipelines in general with the little tid-bit about the first domestic long distance pipline, an 8 incher, being laid from Oklahoma to Texas in 1906, it might still be there:
I'm not making any claims at all. NO pipeline is wonderful but you've got nearly three million miles of the things under your real estate already, put there through the eminent Domain Process. It would seem you're saving your best angst for this one from a Canadian company; would you prefer it to have been Chinese or Arab owned?
At least you can rest assured the profits won't be going to Al Queda as it does from the stuff you buy from Saudi Arabia, or is that not even on your radar?
Eminent Domain only works with your governments approval. Do you just refuse to see the part where the Texas Supreme Court ruled in favour of the TransCanada action twice, even denying an appeal process?
I'll say it once more; lobby YOUR oil companies to stop buying the stuff and the problem is gone, instead of aiming your quiver full of darts at TransCanada. The oil is coming out of the ground, like it or not. The oil is going to those refineries, like it or not. The safest and most environmentally friendly way to get it there is via a pipeline......like it or not.
You stop buying it and there'll be no need for a pipe .......right?
What you're saying is that it benefits the public because it benefits business.
That's not going to cut it. Otherwise you have to also support eminent domain for shopping malls and condo buildings.
Here's where we really part company; I'm not saying anything of the kind, furthermore I don't care if it benefits the public or not, just don't blather on about how it only benefits a Canadian entity when it's your companies pushing for it and your employees of those companies drawing wages from the refineries it's feeding.
I don't think there's anyone prepared to argue the benefits of petroleum products being "for the public's benefit" as the root of this problem. We've only been reaping the benefits of crude oil for well over a hundred years or more, that ship has sailed.
All those jobs that the pipeline will create are just temp jobs. If the reason the pipeline is needed is to get oil down to refineries, then why don't they just build a refinery just across the border in North Dakota then use tanker trucks or rail to distribute the refined product?
The Keystone XL pipeline is not a public works project or a utility. It only benefits TransCanada and the oil industry...
The same thing with a railroad, or electrical lines, and all the other oil pipelines. Your short sighted, myopic view of this topic is painful to witness.
All those jobs that the pipeline will create are just temp jobs. If the reason the pipeline is needed is to get oil down to refineries, then why don't they just build a refinery just across the border in North Dakota then use tanker trucks or rail to distribute the refined product?
They are, but building a new oil refinery in this country is alike trying to move a mountain. Because this is a Native American Indian tribe, they can probably get around a lot of the barriers faced by other private developers.
America hasn’t seen a new oil refinery built in 30 years. That is until this upcoming year, when North Dakota will begin construction on a $400 million refinery.
I'd really like an explanation of this incongruity.
Conservatives are painting Cliven Bundy as a little guy being oppressed by the government, when the land he has grazed on for 20 years without paying is not his and never his, but instead belongs to the American people and is managed by the Department of the Interior, just like every federal national forest, oil field, and mineral deposit-- all of which you pay royalties to exploit commercially.
But at the same time, conservatives support the use of eminent domain by the government to forcibly take private land that actually does belong to farmers and ranchers in order to allow TransCanada, a foreign company, to build a pipeline to ship Canadian tar sands oil to Nebraska for refining.
Not only that, but conservatives are actually attacking President Obama for not forcibly taking these farmers' land to hand over to the foreign company.
Is it simply that conservatives don't have respect for property rights and simply support business interests, whether it's a millionaire rancher without a ranch, or a massive energy company?
I don't know a single conservative that supports eminent domain to confiscate private property for private economic development. In fact, exactly the opposite.
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