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Old 05-01-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Aren't there already tolls on a number of interstates in this country?
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Aren't there already tolls on a number of interstates in this country?
Those were toll roads before the Fed prohibited them.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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A tax is only a tax if it's called a "tax" ?

LOL..if it goes to the government then it's a TAX.

The gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining our roads.
Money from the gas tax has been used for other items though.

Are we going to toll bike paths too ? It's only fair since the gas tax was diverted from road maintenance to construct bike paths.
A charge for a service isn't a tax even if government provides that service.

And Texas alone spends something like $10 billion every year on roads. There's not enough money from state gas taxes or from TX's share of federal gas taxes to maintain all the roads in the state. I'm sure it's similar in other states. Other taxes (and debt) are being used to pay for the roads. Charge users of the roads fees based on how much wear and tear they put on them. It's quite simple.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I guess this is a "Tax the middle class" scheme.
And folks keep saying the middle class isn't getting taxed to death.

Rather than just jump to a new tax, audit the existing fund and eliminate funding to non highway projects.

Let the cities and states find their own funding for bike paths, sidewalks and mass transit.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A charge for a service isn't a tax even if government provides that service.

And Texas alone spends something like $10 billion every year on roads. There's not enough money from state gas taxes or from TX's share of federal gas taxes to maintain all the roads in the state. I'm sure it's similar in other states. Other taxes (and debt) are being used to pay for the roads. Charge users of the roads fees based on how much wear and tear they put on them. It's quite simple.
They why are they diverting money to uses other than maintaining the highways ?

"charge for service" is the gas tax my friend.
They are not replacing it but adding on top of it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Those were toll roads before the Fed prohibited them.
Okay, thanks, that makes more sense. I actually didn't know the Fed even prohibited tolls.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Audit the fund and stop diverting money to bike paths, sidewalks and mass transit.
Use the money for its original intent..HIGHWAYS
Obama is using the Interstate Highway fund for more than just "bike paths, sidewalks and mass transit".

Under the Obama administration, the Federal Transit Administration is increasingly partnering with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and Environmental Protection Agency to promote "livable and sustainable communities."

The FED's have stolen the money and now want to dump the problem they made on States.

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We invented the federal Highway Trust Fund in 1956, promising motorists and truckers that all proceeds from a new federal gas tax would be spent on building the interstate system. They aren't. Congress has expanded federal highway spending beyond interstates to all types of roadways. And ever since 1982, a portion of those "highway user taxes" have been diverted to urban transit. Today, the federal role in transportation includes mandating sidewalks, funding bike paths and creating scenic trails.

As a result, spending exceeds gas-tax revenues and the Highway Trust Fund is broke.
A new study shows that many States contribute very little to building and maintaining their highways and roads - they depend on the Federal dollars to that and spend their own gas taxes on other things.

A solution might be to just let the States keep all the gasoline taxes and be responsible for the highways in their States - get the Federal Government OUT of the Gasoline Tax business. Let each State stand on their own. I could go with that "States Rights" solution.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Obama is using the Interstate Highway fund for more than just "bike paths, sidewalks and mass transit".

Under the Obama administration, the Federal Transit Administration is increasingly partnering with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and Environmental Protection Agency to promote "livable and sustainable communities."

The FED's have stolen the money and now want to dump the problem they made on States.



A new study shows that many States contribute very little to building and maintaining their highways and roads - they depend on the Federal dollars to that and spend their own gas taxes on other things.

A solution might be to just let the States keep all the gasoline taxes and be responsible for the highways in their States - get the Federal Government OUT of the Gasoline Tax business. Let each State stand on their own. I could go with that "States Rights" solution.
Many states are putting off doing anything because the dreaded term..."environmental impact" comes up.

Rebuilding the Rockaway causeway in NY since Sandy is one prime example.
It was there before yet can't simply be rebuilt.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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Aren't there already tolls on a number of interstates in this country?
Intestate 76 and 476 is the PA turnpike, it existed long before the Interstates and has always been a toll road. It funds itself and they have been raiding it to fund other Interstates. About 10 or 15 years ago they designated it an Interstate, the reasoning being that people unfamiliar with it would realize it was a limited access highway.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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get the Federal Government OUT of the Gasoline Tax business. Let each State stand on their own. I could go with that "States Rights" solution.
You can't do that unless you allow them to put tolls, Interstate 80 for example that runs from NYC to San Fran goes through many rural states. There is conga line of trucks on that road traveling in both directions here in PA. That's one of the corridors if not the main corridor for coast to coast travel and San Fran and New York are huge beneficiaries of those miles though those rural states.
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