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Old 05-02-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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Voter fraud likely isn’t as “rare” as most would have you believe. We demand government issued photo ID’s for many (often less important) tasks than choosing our governmental leadership. There is usually no debate over requiring ID for these purposes.

We should err on the side of caution. While voting is a constitutional right, as a side note, would anyone really try to argue though that a government issued photo ID should not be required to purchase a firearm or else their second amendment rights would be infringed?

Does any voter identification statute specify that it applies only to Blacks and Latinos?
Aren’t there some 12 million illegal immigrants in this country right now? I am certain that number of votes cast for Obama would sway the election in his favor.
The next two Election cycles will be all about the DNC keeping control. I agree that Photo ID is part of every day life. The Dem's on the run due to their Socialist Polices that are total opposite of the American success Story.

It a shame Politics has gotten so evil!
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Nothing in the article demonstrates that any significant voter fraud has occurred. It at the worst demonstrates that voter rolls are not completely current. Rggr's article about Nassau County, NY actually shows how insignificant the problem is. Of the 200 or so "dead people" who allegedly voted (scattered over several elections), a significant number turned out to have died between the time they sent in their mailing ballots and the official election date, others are simple clerical errors by poll workers.

And the issue with voters registered in multiple states? let's pretend that they were actually able to vote multiple times in those multiple states. Voter ID laws would have done nothing to stop them.
Back to my earlier point that we don't actually know how big the problem is because we do nothing to stop it or track it at the polls.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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200 clerical errors in one county?
Stretched out over more than two dozen elections. That means less than ten errors per election in a county with just under one million registered voters.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Does this mean 44K of dead voters voted or that they are just registered?
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Back to my earlier point that we don't actually know how big the problem is because we do nothing to stop it or track it at the polls.
We absolutely know how big the problem is.

It is vanishingly tiny.

And Voter ID would do nothing to end it, or enhance our ability to measure it.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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200 clerical errors in one county?
Nassau County had 559,000 votes cast in the last election and your article happened over 6 elections.

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Okay, let's move to North Carolina?

"The N.C. State Board of Elections said last week that an interstate initiative found 765 voters who cast more than one ballot in the last election.

The voters, who went to the polls in North Carolina and another state, shared first and last names and the last four digits of their social security numbers. The initiative found thousands more that matched only in first and last names."

The Daily Tar Heel :: Study finds 765 cases of NC voter fraud in 2012 election
This one has been discussed as well. 2 things happened here.

1. You dont get removed from voter rolls just because you move.

2. similar is not the same as being the same.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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We absolutely know how big the problem is.

It is vanishingly tiny.

And Voter ID would do nothing to end it, or enhance our ability to measure it.
You have no idea and neither do I. If a police officer doesn't turn on his radar, it doesn't mean nobody is speeding. We could try to estimate it by the number of wrecks that resulted, but that's not a good estimate. A person at the polls could let ten people in a row vote that were voting as someone else. We would never know. We might accidentally find out if they voted as a dead person and we caught that.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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2. similar is not the same as being the same.
"shared first and last names and the last four digits of their social security numbers"?
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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You have no idea and neither do I. If a police officer doesn't turn on his radar, it doesn't mean nobody is speeding. We could try to estimate it by the number of wrecks that resulted, but that's not a good estimate. A person at the polls could let ten people in a row vote that were voting as someone else. We would never know. We might accidentally find out if they voted as a dead person and we caught that.
And …. it's been this way since 1776. I wonder why it's suddenly a problem now?
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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And …. it's been this way since 1776. I wonder why it's suddenly a problem now?
I thought we were supposed to understand that policies of 1776 were not prepared for today's world. Okay, though, we can go back to only allowing property owners to vote if you wish.
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