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Yep. To many people's astonishment, the 9th Circus Court of Appeals decided (correctly) that San Diego's "may issue" laws were an unconstitutional violation of the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.
The 9th Circus deciding that, is a lot like Barack Obama deciding that Obamacare is too expensive and too overbearing and should be repealed. But what can I say... even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
That was a 2-1 opinion by a three judge panel, two conservative judges vs a moderate.
CA DOJ is contesting that ruling before the full 9th. I doubt it will be upheld.
But even if it does, looks like we could prevale in the SCOTUS, if it ever comes to that.
To be clear, I'm not anti-gun. I think once the basic right of ownership guareented by the 2nd is met, the question of establishing how restrictive public carry laws are should be left to the states and counties.
This bodes well for California, and all other states who don't want to see their cities turn into Dodge City.
This is BY FAR the most IGNORANT argument against concealed carry.
Since I'm SURE you've done the requisite research to support the asinine statement above, please post whatever data you've compiled which proves - or even suggests - that gun violence increases when a state loosens their concealed carry requirements.
I won't hold my breath. You're all talk, and everybody reading this knows it.
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Originally Posted by Gurbie
Yay for states rights!
States don't get to overrule the Constitution.
And one notable fact that you conveniently left out - the supreme court didn't rule on it. They declined to hear it. There's a big difference, but I wouldn't expect you to understand what that is.
I believe the logic is that the States determine carry permits because they are not in the Constitution. Still, I certain this does not qualify a may issue state the authority to deny a law-abiding citizen the right to bear arms.
They're waiting for the Peruta case to be appealed to them, so they can affirm it and nail the coffin shut on governments that think they get ANY say in deciding who can carry a gun and who can't.
SCOTUS has declined an appeal by gun rights activists, regarding New Jersey law that restricts the issuance of concealed carry permits, to those who can demonstrate a "justifiable need"
This bodes well for California, and all other states who don't want to see their cities turn into Dodge City. Yay for states rights!
Feel sorry for all those victims, their choice to protect themselves was taken away...
As far as your "dodge city" comment...you are aware that there are roughly 6-9 million people that carry concealed legally at the moment ? Aren't you ? I don't see any "dodge city" scenarios going on country wide... stop with the fear already.
SCOTUS has declined an appeal by gun rights activists, regarding New Jersey law that restricts the issuance of concealed carry permits, to those who can demonstrate a "justifiable need"
This bodes well for California, and all other states who don't want to see their cities turn into Dodge City. Yay for states rights!
Your conclusion does not explain the cities and states where it is easy to get CC, like Maine. No Dodge City /DC carnage there.
NJ has centers of firearms violence despite denial for CC. Newark, NJ is without a murder a month since the late 60s and has now easily exceded that record. Of course if that murder rate is acceptable......
Isn't that something? so predictable where the murders will occur and what do you know? they occur in clusters. Wonder if there is some pattern to all this and could we use this information to prevent these crimes??? Nah! nothing to be be learned...just a co ink a dink. Let's pass more gun laws, maybe one of them will have a bearing on reducing violence...maybe not, but so what, we can get closer to eliminating private owbnership of firearms. And when that happens the murder rate in Newark, et al will be the same or greater.
SCOTUS has declined an appeal by gun rights activists, regarding New Jersey law that restricts the issuance of concealed carry permits, to those who can demonstrate a "justifiable need"
Your conclusion does not explain the cities and states where it is easy to get CC, like Maine. No Dodge City /DC carnage there.
NJ has centers of firearms violence despite denial for CC. Newark, NJ is without a murder a month since the late 60s and has now easily exceded that record. Of course if that murder rate is acceptable......
Isn't that something? so predictable where the murders will occur and what do you know? they occur in clusters. Wonder if there is some pattern to all this and could we use this information to prevent these crimes??? Nah! nothing to be be learned...just a co ink a dink. Let's pass more gun laws, maybe one of them will have a bearing on reducing violence...maybe not, but so what, we can get closer to eliminating private owbnership of firearms. And when that happens the murder rate in Newark, et al will be the same or greater.
Oh , I'm sure there is but it would offend some people and you know we can't do that.
But even if it does, looks like we could prevale in the SCOTUS, if it ever comes to that.
Always fun to see some intellectual giant talk about how a court case will come out, who can't even spell "prevail".
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