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Old 05-07-2014, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by HeyJude514
Imagine if we took all those billions we give to the oil companies every year and invested it in developing clean energy instead. We have solved many of the most pressing problems facing humanity, and we can solve this one, too, and end our dependence on fossil fuels. But it will take political will to do it, and a willingness to stand up to big money like the Koch Brothers. Right now, unfortunately, I don't see that happening. It may turn out to be our last failure as a species.
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solyndra comes to mind
and A123 battery, and Sun Power, Fisker (as big as solyndra), and on and on.

IN October of 2012 we were up to $128B lost in 34 failing green companies. I'm sure it's well above 1/4 Trillion by now.

I wonder how the economy would have reacted if that 128B had been divided amongst the lowest 50% income earners (emphasis on earners as in working poor to lower middle class) That would have been about $4000 a head, and would have bought a lot of food and clothing.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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Those who profit from selling oil definitely don't want solar energy.
And that's too bad because the sunshine is there, and even rich industrialists can't do anything about it. It's free, it's for everybody, and sooner or later people will wake up and start utilizing it more---probably because they won't have any other choice.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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FEES= Republician for Tax increase.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyJude514
Imagine if we took all those billions we give to the oil companies every year and invested it in developing clean energy instead. We have solved many of the most pressing problems facing humanity, and we can solve this one, too, and end our dependence on fossil fuels. But it will take political will to do it, and a willingness to stand up to big money like the Koch Brothers. Right now, unfortunately, I don't see that happening. It may turn out to be our last failure as a species.


and A123 battery, and Sun Power, Fisker (as big as solyndra), and on and on.

IN October of 2012 we were up to $128B lost in 34 failing green companies. I'm sure it's well above 1/4 Trillion by now.

I wonder how the economy would have reacted if that 128B had been divided amongst the lowest 50% income earners (emphasis on earners as in working poor to lower middle class) That would have been about $4000 a head, and would have bought a lot of food and clothing.
probably could have outfitted 50 million houses with solar panals or wind turbines.... that money didn't just evaporate
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:43 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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*cough* Oligarchy *cough*
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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Koch brothers are behind legislation that would require an extra fee for those who have solar panels in order to be connected to the power grid. I thought conservatives were anti tax.


Koch brothers face an unexpected new foe: tea party conservatives*-*Los Angeles Times

For the first time, I have a reason to like the Tea Party.

Koch brothers and big utilities campaign to unplug solar power*-*Los Angeles Times
Don't Confuse Business Decision for a political decision.

The Power company for some time wish to tax the solar people because there is cost involved with the grid. Salt River Project in Phoenix had a big add campaign last year on this subject.

Old News!
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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One company failed, so we should just throw in the towel?
Who is we? Investors risking their own money should make the decisions, not tax leaching politicians.
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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Who is we? Investors risking their own money should make the decisions, not tax leaching politicians.
"We" the taxpayers are already subsidizing oil companies to the tune of billions of dollars every year.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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"We" the taxpayers are already subsidizing oil companies to the tune of billions of dollars every year.
And we shouldn't be. However you and your ilk don't want to eliminate subsidies, you just want your cronies to get them instead.
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Old 05-07-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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And we shouldn't be. However you and your ilk don't want to eliminate subsidies, you just want your cronies to get them instead.
They are not "my cronies." Clean energy benefits every living being on the planet. Big oil subsidies benefit multi-billionaires like the Koch Brothers, and them alone.
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