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Old 05-13-2014, 07:28 AM
 
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If you had understood what has been said in the thread, you'd realize that those who are benefitting are the same children whose parents receive food stamps for the purpose of feeding them, but they DON'T feed them. So that has to be done for free at school.

Yes, it is. Everyone else has to pay for those meals at school. The meals aren't cheap. They're usually overpriced for what you get.
Your point is just not true. I just posted two links to schools that are not low income schools but that are participating in National School lunch program which is subsidized by the federal government and the vast majority of those families don't qualify for a reduced or free lunch.


Now this particular program in El Paso, is going to ALL students regardless of family income who are staying after school and participating in extracurricular activities.

This has nothing to do with food stamps or parents not feeding their children.

The students aren't at home they are in school. So how can they eat at home while they are at school?

Then to say well they aren't eating at home and that their parents aren't feeding them is incredibly ignorant, presumes too much and ignores reality.

The reality is a small subset of students, who are staying after school participating in after school programs probably once or twice per week are getting meals, but that still means those students are at home eating dinner the vast majority of the time.

The level of ignorance in these assumptions is amazing to me personally.

Also, the household income qualifications for reduced lunches are much higher than qualifications for food stamps.

So while there is some overlap between qualifying for free lunches and qualifying for food stamps, there is no overlap between qualifying for reduced lunches and food stamps.

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Old 05-13-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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A good source for info on this:
Oh Snap! REAL food on a Food Stamp Budget
They say 90 percent of SNAP benefits are redemmed by day 21 of the benefit period -
meaning most SNAP benefits are not enough to last them all month


Let's get real about the fact that folks have to work/take a little initiative
on their own to make those SNAP dollars last.
Being too busy/lazy (funny, how those two go together)
can't be the excuse for everything these days, ...

I did the challenge with three people - two adults and a teenage son.
My average was $3.07 per day, per person, so that is $1.43 under
what SNAP gives ($4.50 per day). It came out to an average of $1.02 per meal, but
of course, what one spends on breakfast is not going to be the same as what one
spends on dinner....Boy, did we love crockpot oatmeal with baked apples
Can we all say G-U-M-B-O with homemade French bread.
So many ways to cook a chicken, so little time
We ate very well on that budget and we could have survived on less money than we did.

Buy or Make: What Food Staples Are Cheaper to Make at Home? - ABC News

Though in the story above^^^, I've NEVER paid $4.39 for a loaf of bread in a store!
And potato chips... popcorn is so much better *not the crap in a microwave either.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Your point is just not true. I just posted two links to schools that are not low income schools but that are participating in National School lunch program which is subsidized by the federal government and the vast majority of those families don't qualify for a reduced or free lunch.


Now this particular program in El Paso, is going to ALL students regardless of family income who are staying after school and participating in extracurricular activities.

This has nothing to do with food stamps or parents not feeding their children.

The students aren't at home they are in school. So how can they eat at home while they are at school?

Then to say well they aren't eating at home and that their parents aren't feeding them is incredibly ignorant, presumes too much and ignores reality.

The reality is a small subset of students, who are staying after school participating in after school programs probably once or twice per week are getting meals, but that still means those students are at home eating dinner the vast majority of the time.

The level of ignorance in these assumptions is amazing to me personally.

Also, the household income qualifications for reduced lunches are much higher than qualifications for food stamps.

So while there is some overlap between qualifying for free lunches and qualifying for food stamps, there is no overlap between qualifying for reduced lunches and food stamps.
But the program only reimburses if the school has over 50% of the students on free/reduced lunch.
So income is taken into account.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They say 90 percent of SNAP benefits are redemmed by day 21 of the benefit period -
meaning most SNAP benefits are not enough to last them all month


Let's get real about the fact that folks have to work/take a little initiative
on their own to make those SNAP dollars last.
Being too busy/lazy (funny, how those two go together)
can't be the excuse for everything these days, ...

I did the challenge with three people - two adults and a teenage son.
My average was $3.07 per day, per person, so that is $1.43 under
what SNAP gives ($4.50 per day). It came out to an average of $1.02 per meal, but
of course, what one spends on breakfast is not going to be the same as what one
spends on dinner....Boy, did we love crockpot oatmeal with baked apples
Can we all say G-U-M-B-O with homemade French bread.
So many ways to cook a chicken, so little time
We ate very well on that budget and we could have survived on less money than we did.

Buy or Make: What Food Staples Are Cheaper to Make at Home? - ABC News

Though in the story above^^^, I've NEVER paid $4.39 for a loaf of bread in a store!
And potato chips... popcorn is so much better *not the crap in a microwave either.
A family of 4 gets over $600 and it's gone in 3 weeks ?
What the hell are they buying ?
It's not breakfast, lunch or dinner for their kids.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
They say 90 percent of SNAP benefits are redemmed by day 21 of the benefit period -
meaning most SNAP benefits are not enough to last them all month


Let's get real about the fact that folks have to work/take a little initiative
on their own to make those SNAP dollars last.
Being too busy/lazy (funny, how those two go together)
can't be the excuse for everything these days, ...

I did the challenge with three people - two adults and a teenage son.
My average was $3.07 per day, per person, so that is $1.43 under
what SNAP gives ($4.50 per day). It came out to an average of $1.02 per meal, but
of course, what one spends on breakfast is not going to be the same as what one
spends on dinner....Boy, did we love crockpot oatmeal with baked apples
Can we all say G-U-M-B-O with homemade French bread.
So many ways to cook a chicken, so little time
We ate very well on that budget and we could have survived on less money than we did.

Buy or Make: What Food Staples Are Cheaper to Make at Home? - ABC News

Though in the story above^^^, I've NEVER paid $4.39 for a loaf of bread in a store!
And potato chips... popcorn is so much better *not the crap in a microwave either.
That is clearly true.

SNAP (Food Stamps): Facts, Myths and Realities

SNAP benefits don’t last most participants the whole month. 90% of SNAP benefits are redeemed by the third week of the month, and 58% of food bank clients currently receiving SNAP benefits turn to food banks for assistance at least 6 months out of the year.[x]
The average monthly SNAP benefit per person is $133.85, or less than $1.50 per person, per meal. [xi]
Only 57% of food insecure individuals are income-eligible for SNAP, and 26% are not income-eligible for any federal food assistance.[xii]



But I think it is important to emphasize that this has nothing to do with SNAP.

The federal government is subsidizing school lunches for schools with a low percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced lunches.

I posted two examples.

So there is the incorrect assumption that only poor students are getting their school lunches subsidized. It is just not the truth.

The program in El Paso, really has nothing to do with SNAP, since it will feed all students who stay after school not just those students who qualify for free or reduced lunches.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The program in El Paso, really has nothing to do with SNAP, since it will feed all students who stay after school not just those students who qualify for free or reduced lunches.
That program in El Paso is available to any school in the US.
But the USDA will only reimburse if the school has 50% or more of it's students on free/reduced lunch.



Afterschool Meals | Food and Nutrition Service
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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A family of 4 gets over $600 and it's gone in 3 weeks ?
What the hell are they buying ?
It's not breakfast, lunch or dinner for their kids.
How do you figure they aren' buying breakfast, lunch or dinner for their kids?

SNAP (Food Stamps): Facts, Myths and Realities

The national rate of food stamp trafficking declined from about 3.8 cents per dollar of benefits redeemed in 1993 to about 1.3 cent per dollar during the years 2009 to 2011.[ix] As you may have read in local news, USDA is aggressively fighting trafficking, but while there are individual cases of program abuse, for every one instance of fraud, there are hundreds of stories of heartbreaking need

Secondly the average monthly amount given to families is much lower than $600 per month.

SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM: AVERAGE MONTHLY BENEFIT PER HOUSEHOLD
(Data as of May 9, 2014)

FY 2009 FY 2010 FY 2011 FY 2012 FY 2013

TOTAL 275.51 289.60 283.99 278.48 274.98


http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/pd/19SNAPavg$HH.pdf

These are the national average amounts per month well under your example.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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I'd rather kids get dinner than go without.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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That program in El Paso is available to any school in the US.
But the USDA will only reimburse if the school has 50% or more of it's students on free/reduced lunch.



Afterschool Meals | Food and Nutrition Service

I'm not sure why the poster is having such a hard time grasping this concept.
 
Old 05-13-2014, 08:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
How do you figure they aren' buying breakfast, lunch or dinner for their kids?

SNAP (Food Stamps): Facts, Myths and Realities

The national rate of food stamp trafficking declined from about 3.8 cents per dollar of benefits redeemed in 1993 to about 1.3 cent per dollar during the years 2009 to 2011.[ix] As you may have read in local news, USDA is aggressively fighting trafficking, but while there are individual cases of program abuse, for every one instance of fraud, there are hundreds of stories of heartbreaking need

Secondly the average monthly amount given to families is much lower than $600 per month.

SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM: AVERAGE MONTHLY BENEFIT PER HOUSEHOLD
(Data as of May 9, 2014)

FY 2009 FY 2010 FY 2011 FY 2012 FY 2013

TOTAL 275.51 289.60 283.99 278.48 274.98


http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/pd/19SNAPavg$HH.pdf

These are the national average amounts per month well under your example.
Because the kids get free breakfast and lunch at school. And cafeterias at schools with a high free/reduced lunch % serve free meals in the summer too.
So those families only have to feed their kids dinner and then on the weekends. And some schools send the kids home with backpacks of food for the weekends too.

The average food stamp benefit per person is $124.69 (Jan 2014). Straight from the usda website. So if you have 4 people in your house, on average you receive $490 per month. And you don't have to feed your kids lunch or dinner during the school week.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...NAPmonthly.pdf
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