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Old 05-16-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Burglary is "trivial"?
I guess it depends whose things are taken.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Where is that written down, cowboy? Okay, it's an equivalent to assault. Since when does committing assault mean one forfeits one's right to due process?

I think you're confusing your wild-west fantasies with the real world, in which criminals have the right to due process of law.
I have no wild-west fantasies. I have hunted but am no means a gun guy and guns are not part of my daily life. I have exactly one handgun at this point in my life.

Like most others here I think the shooter was irresponsible and wasn't justified to use deadly force, but we don't know the facts.

I do know if I woke up to someone in my house at 2am I would process the dude with my .45. That's what we veterans call "dude process". If that makes me a cowboy, then yippy-ki-yay...
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Where is that written down, cowboy? Okay, it's an equivalent to assault. Since when does committing assault mean one forfeits one's right to due process?

I think you're confusing your wild-west fantasies with the real world, in which criminals have the right to due process of law.
I believe you are confused. When someone invades a home there is no judge and jury sitting there ready to adjudicate. There is in some cases an individual ready to defend life and property. It is legal, in many circumstances, to kill a thief breaking into your home. The US or the states government is never empowered to execute a thief.

If you are killed while committing an assault you will be carried by six not judged by twelve. I thought everyone knew this.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I guess all those women's groups who protested the conviction of Marissa Alexander have wild west fantasies of killing men...


"Women's groups rallied to Alexander's cause, arguing she was a battered woman who had defended herself against a husband with a history of abuse."

Her conviction was overturned based on a "Stand Your Ground" law in place in Florida.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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I have no wild-west fantasies. I have hunted but am no means a gun guy and guns are not part of my daily life. I have exactly one handgun at this point in my life.

Like most others here I think the shooter was irresponsible and wasn't justified to use deadly force, but we don't know the facts.

I do know if I woke up to someone in my house at 2am I would process the dude with my .45.
That's your right, sad as that is, but it has nothing to do with due process. If said burglar burgled your house when you weren't there and was caught later, is it okay to shoot them then? Have they still forfeited their right to due process by breaking into your house at 2am?
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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Where is that written down, cowboy? Okay, it's an equivalent to assault. Since when does committing assault mean one forfeits one's right to due process?

I think you're confusing your wild-west fantasies with the real world, in which criminals have the right to due process of law.
How do you know when yo have lost an discussion? See posting above...

Gotta love the leftist useless talking points....
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How do you know when yo have lost an discussion? See posting above...

Gotta love the leftist useless talking points....
I have yet to see a criminal killed while engaging in crime go to trial.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:28 PM
 
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Nice tidbits, in reality neither German or English legal system allows to kill or maim somebody who entered your yard or garage, unless your personal safety is at stake.
And who makes that decision?

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Old 05-16-2014, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That's your right, sad as that is, but it has nothing to do with due process. If said burglar burgled your house when you weren't there and was caught later, is it okay to shoot them then? Have they still forfeited their right to due process by breaking into your house at 2am?
Do you understand that people engaged in defense of life and property have the right in many states to use deadly force?

Due process has nothing to do with this situation. A homeowner can kill a thief while the state cannot. The state can imprison a thief while the homeowner cannot.
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Old 05-16-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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I have yet to see a criminal killed while engaging in crime go to trial.
I guess you could sue their estate......that is about all....
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