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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC
I'd be willing to bet that every "NO" vote in the poll came from a liberal on this forum. No question about it.
Nope. I'm almost an extremist on some conservative issues and I voted no. I would say America before 1965 was probably, arguably anyway, one of the most exceptional countries in history. After that period however I think this country has gone downhill, and double that in the last couple decades.
The US is yet another imperialist nation in a long line of imperialist nations dating back to before Rome. The 'exceptional' period of its global 'reign' was due only to the fact that Europe and Asia were set back decades by WWII, the US was untouched and had the resources at the time to surpass the other nations in terms of its output. After that brief period of global dominance, the decline began and destruction was temporarily avoided by the globalized free market bs that is now destroying it all over again.
The reason Americans think its exceptional is because they are shortsighted or brainwashed and have no concept of history.
But I checked YES since, despite its mistake and failures, I'm pretty sure the United States accomplished more overall advance in prosperity and safety for more people, than any other country.
If there's one I've missed that has accomplished more, I'd like to hear about it.
I don't think we need to be exceptional. It's overrated. But what we need is to quit apologizing. Like somehow we need to justify that America needs to be exceptional to deserve what other countries rightfully take for granted. ...
America is definitely exceptional in our recommended daily intake of horsepuckey. To Finns, Germans, Brazilians or Japanese or other sensible folk, their countries don’t have to be special to anybody except themselves. They need not be proposition nations, nor cities upon a hill redeeming the world, nor the rightful destinations of other countries’ huddled masses, nor the scourges of wrongdoing in the Levant. Instead, they are the past, present, and future homes of their own people. So their responsibility is to be good stewards for their heirs.
In contrast, the vague grandiosity of the ideology of American exceptionalism makes Americans easier to manipulate with contrived narratives. And nobody loves contrived narratives like the D's and R's that make up our political class.
I don't see anyone else with things on the moon and Mars.
Um, the Chinese have a rover on the moon, and the European Space Agency has landed a probe on Mars (although they immediately lost contact with it :-P) as has the USSR.
compared to rome, the united states is hardly an "imperial nation."
The US has military bases all around the globe, regularly sets up puppet governments that act in their own interests, American companies trade in weapons and infrastructure 'in exchange' for resources, the businesses exploit slave labor in foreign countries and have their fingers in many pies on a global scale, they are extremely militaristic, they have a hugely commercial culture, they have a hedonistic consumerist society, they allow religious superstition to influence their politics, and the leader has a huge influence on global policy through NATO and the UN.
I would say that the US is very very imperialistic and not at all unlike Rome... they're basically the tail end of the British Empire, prosperous due to a geographical advantage.
But in another 20 years, it will definitely be on a decline... the culture is too paranoid, not disciplined enough and capitalism is a runaway train that's headed for the wall.
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