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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by freightshaker
Hmmm... Are you saying that then Senator Clinton was not privy to intel briefings on the situation in Iraq from the pentagon and CIA? Is that what you're saying? Think and look back before you answer this.
take a minute, reread your own post and maybe you will see your own flaw.
Did you think Hillary Clinton put together those briefings ??????
that is the only way your comment would make sense.
take a minute, reread your own post and maybe you will see your own flaw.
Did you think Hillary Clinton put together those briefings ??????
that is the only way your comment would make sense.
Hillary Clinton did not put together those briefings, and neither did Bush or Cheney. The pentagon and CIA put together those briefings. That said, was Senator Clinton unaware of the what was in them when she voted?
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Originally Posted by freightshaker
Hillary Clinton did not put together those briefings, and neither did Bush or Cheney. The pentagon and CIA put together those briefings. That said, was Senator Clinton unaware of the what was in them when she voted?
Again your comments dont make sense.
She voted for what looked to be a credible report. Are you saying she should have known that they pieced together from b.s. ?
I really don't find it to be "temporary stupidity". This decision was of catastrophic consequences. I would NEVER ever ever have supported the invasion nor would many millions of Americans. We knew Bush was making up a sham reason to invade. To miss this is really bad. For HER to miss it is inexcusable.
I don't think she missed anything. Hilary Clinton has shown herself to be a political opportunist on numerous occasions. Her Iraq vote was calculated to give her credibility in terms of military/national defense issues. Something she undoubtedly felt would be of use when she sought the Democratic Party nomination. In fairness to Clinton, there were twenty-eight other Democratic senators (and another eighty-two representatives) who voted for the invasion. What the whole matter shows is just how useless Democrats are as an alternative to Republicans. It's sort of like choosing between gonorrhea and chlamidya.
I used the word fabrication because that is indeed what they did.
They pieced together information to create a false narrative and they did it on purpose to get a desired result in an allotted amount of time(U.S./U.K. war deadline).
I call that a lie, as do most people. You are trying to put forth an argument that since the authors didnt use the word lie, then that means it isn't one and that just isn't true.
That is a misuse of the word 'lie.' If the weatherman tells you that it's going to rain tomorrow based on his Doppler radar, but it doesn't, is that a lie? No. If your auto mechanic advises you to use a particular oil and your car still breaks down, is it a lie? Again, no. If you want to accuse them of incompetence fine, but a lie, no.
Again dictionary.com sums it up
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Originally Posted by dictionary.com
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive
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Originally Posted by wutitiz
That is a misuse of the word 'lie.' If the weatherman tells you that it's going to rain tomorrow based on his Doppler radar, but it doesn't, is that a lie? No. If your auto mechanic advises you to use a particular oil and your car still breaks down, is it a lie? Again, no. If you want to accuse them of incompetence fine, but a lie, no.
Again dictionary.com sums it up
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You have to prove intent. What is your proof?
THe very article you posted is proof. The governments both wanted war. Either spy organizations could find proof to back up their claims so to make their leaders happy they chose to put together B.S. that was never meant to be put together.
again, YOU introduced this article into the debate.
THe very article you posted is proof. The governments both wanted war. Either spy organizations could find proof to back up their claims so to make their leaders happy they chose to put together B.S. that was never meant to be put together.
again, YOU introduced this article into the debate.
Yeah, but the article does not really support your template. You claim that Bush or the intel people lied. The article by the Yale law prof does not say that.
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Originally Posted by wutitiz
Yeah, but the article does not really support your template. You claim that Bush or the intel people lied. The article by the Yale law prof does not say that.
I used the word fabrication because that is indeed what they did.
They pieced together information to create a false narrative and they did it on purpose to get a desired result in an allotted amount of time (U.S./U.K. war deadline).
I call that a lie, as do most people. You are trying to put forth an argument that since the authors didnt use the word lie, then that means it isn't one and that just isn't true.
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