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Old 05-17-2014, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Frontline, the best investigative journalism on television you will find. No one else even comes close. I look forward to watching this, I've been listening to Glenn Greenwald talk about his new book, and all the obstacles world governments are putting in his way since breaking Snowden's story.
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Old 05-17-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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Not trying to hijack the thread, but here is an interview with Glenny G. that deals with certain themes of this thread.

"Once people understood that this extraordinary system of suspicionless surveillance, which was truly unprecedented in scope, had been created completely in the dark, it became more than a surveillance story," Greenwald says. "It became a story about government secrecy and accountability and the role of journalism, and certainly privacy and surveillance in the digital age."
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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if we are going to go after bush, cheney and obama for circumventing the fourth amendment, then we need to go after EVERY president, vp, and ag since the 1920s at least.
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Old 05-17-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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Frontline, the best investigative journalism on television you will find. No one else even comes close. I look forward to watching this, I've been listening to Glenn Greenwald talk about his new book, and all the obstacles world governments are putting in his way since breaking Snowden's story.
In this longish debate Glenn Greenwald makes short work of Surveillance State shill Michael Hayden.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QWYEVp_6F8


Poor Alan Dershowitz is so beyond his prime that he comes across like a surly uncle who drank too much Manischewitz at Thanksgiving dinner.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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In this longish debate Glenn Greenwald makes short work of Surveillance State shill Michael Hayden.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QWYEVp_6F8


Poor Alan Dershowitz is so beyond his prime that he comes across like a surly uncle who drank too much Manischewitz at Thanksgiving dinner.
Thanks for posting this excellent debate....which, from where I sit, was a 20-0 shutout by Glenn Greenwald/Alexis Ohanian. Given the audience result, many agreed.

The 4th Amendment to our Constitution was, for all practical purposes, repealed in the mid 1980s. For it was then that Reagan's Attorney General Edwin Meece spearheaded the drive to institutionalize warrant-less, suspicion-less, bodily fluid searches of Americans for drugs on a scorched earth scale. It was the most outrageous proposal of constitutional disregard in our modern history and Americans en mass just went along. My state of disbelief turned, upon years into that new era of police-state corporate/government alliance, to a reluctant acceptance of just how far we had slipped as a nation from even as little as 20 years before that when I came of age. That nationwide acceptance of the grotesquely ugly concept of mass drug-testing proved beyond any doubt that we were no longer a nation capable of understanding, much less defending, the liberties penned and fought for by our founders and ancestors.

So, sadly, none of this newly revealed NSA surveillance stuff comes as any surprise to me. I'd love to be surprised by Americans waking up en mass, starting to learn the importance of Constitutional principle, and holding our elected officials accountable to upholding them. But there's likely more chance I'd win a bet that the Cubs will take the Series this year.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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Default Glenn Greenwald Meet The Press

Greenwald: Traitor Label Badge of Honor. EXTENDED INTERVIEW


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2RiSNbPY_Q
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Old 05-18-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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The PBS broadcast United States of Secrets makes a strong case for throwing former VP Dick Cheney and his lackey General Michael Hayden in prison for circumventing the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

United States of Secrets | FRONTLINE | PBS

Next Week: How Silicon Valley Feeds the NSA’s Global Dragnet

I guess companies like Google and Microsoft won't be able to claim innocence any longer.
BDS still alive and well.
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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Thanks for posting this excellent debate....which, from where I sit, was a 20-0 shutout by Glenn Greenwald/Alexis Ohanian. Given the audience result, many agreed.

The 4th Amendment to our Constitution was, for all practical purposes, repealed in the mid 1980s. For it was then that Reagan's Attorney General Edwin Meece spearheaded the drive to institutionalize warrant-less, suspicion-less, bodily fluid searches of Americans for drugs on a scorched earth scale. It was the most outrageous proposal of constitutional disregard in our modern history and Americans en mass just went along. My state of disbelief turned, upon years into that new era of police-state corporate/government alliance, to a reluctant acceptance of just how far we had slipped as a nation from even as little as 20 years before that when I came of age. That nationwide acceptance of the grotesquely ugly concept of mass drug-testing proved beyond any doubt that we were no longer a nation capable of understanding, much less defending, the liberties penned and fought for by our founders and ancestors.

So, sadly, none of this newly revealed NSA surveillance stuff comes as any surprise to me. I'd love to be surprised by Americans waking up en mass, starting to learn the importance of Constitutional principle, and holding our elected officials accountable to upholding them. But there's likely more chance I'd win a bet that the Cubs will take the Series this year.
right blame meese and the reagan administration despite the fact that we had a liberal supreme court,a dn a democrat congress that could have stopped what ever meese was doing at the time. also never mention the fact that it was in fact going on long before the reagan adminstration hit the ground running, the push was on in the 1920s, perhaps earlier.
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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The vast majority of citizens of this country are completely oblivious to what their government is doing. They couldn't care less. For most in our society, the candidate that is the most photogenic is the one who gets elected. Qualifications and expertise mean much less than a candidates camera presence. The crimes of an administration are of little consequence to the typical American.
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Old 05-19-2014, 05:29 AM
 
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The Church Committee of the 1970's did much to ensure our liberties but the USA Patriot Act stripped most of those liberties away. Given that we know the NSA, CIA and FBI have run amok; we need new Congressional hearings to rein the Intelligence Agencies back in.
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