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Pretty sure that it isn't the us where those flags are being burned.
I don't think that flag burning should be illegal in the us. And I have no opinion at all as to whether flag burning should be illegal wherever that vid was shot.
Well since a Palestinian flag is being waved above the people and yellow flags are being waved in the background, it should give one a clue who (and where) is burning the flag.
Well since a Palestinian flag is being waved above the people and yellow flags are being waved in the background, it should give one a clue who (and where) is burning the flag.
Yes it does.
The topic is whether flag burning and/or koran-burning should be illegal in the us. My answer is no.
Edited to add - My opinion does not change because some people somewhere in the world hate the american 1st amendment. I'm very fond of it myself.
I personally believe flag burning should be illegal and it should never be protected by 1st amendment right.
1. The flag, does not represent a specific idea or opinion, but rather the entire nation. Flag burning therefore does not express a legitimate form of speech and should be unlawful.
2. Some people may argue that flag burning is a form of freedom of speech and it should be protected by constitution. However, "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution."
Setting flag on fire can cause unnecessary panic as well. As a matter of fact, playing fire in public is very dangerous.
"Horry County Police confirm that a suspect has been taken into custody in connection with today's flag burning at St. James High School.
Horry County Police Lt. Robert Kegler identified the suspect as 17-year-old Nick Newell. According to the J. Reuben Long Detention Center website, he's charged with third-degree arson. As of Monday night he remains in jail, awaiting a bond hearing.
3. Burning flag, or religious symbol like bible, cross, or the Koran may have serious consequences.
"Jones' threatened burning of a Quran in 2010 enraged Muslims around the world.
After backing down from his planned demonstration in New York, Jones eventually burned a book at his Gainesville church, which 10 days later sparked riots in Afghanistan, where 20 people died, including seven United Nations workers."
"Stirred up by three angry mullahs who urged them to avenge the burning of a Koran at a Florida church, thousands of protesters on Friday overran the compound of the United Nations in this northern Afghan city, killing at least 12 people, Afghan and United Nations officials said."
In circumstances such as the desecration of the flag, the question raised is: How much more will America tolerate-today? In circumstances such as burning the Koran, the question also raised is: How much more soldiers, Marines, and innocent people's lives we can afford to lose? When people decide to revolt against the government and in doing so burn the flag, they fail to understand the American flag is not a representation of the government, yet a representation of themselves. These people fail to comprehend that the freedom they believe themselves to be protecting is a freedom in result of the flag they now burn.
For those who burn the Koran, Are you just saying something or are you trying to incite violence? That kind of becomes the dividing line.
It is just so ridiculous to me that "shouting fire in a crowded theater" is illegal, but burning flag (can clearly cause damage) and burning religious symbol like Koran (can clearly cause violence) are all considered legal in the United States.
Your thoughts?
So now the gubmint is going to decide what is and what isn't a legitimate form of speech?
1. The flag, does not represent a specific idea or opinion, but rather the entire nation. Flag burning therefore does not express a legitimate form of speech and should be unlawful.
2. Some people may argue that flag burning is a form of freedom of speech and it should be protected by constitution. However, "Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution."
3. Burning flag, or religious symbol like bible, cross, or the Koran may have serious consequences.
1. What it a 'legitimate form of speech' exactly? Just disagreeing with you? America has freedom of speech for a reason. Burning a flag is to make a statement about the wrongdoings of it's government. North Korea has laws prohibiting speaking ill of the government. We don't, nor should we ever.
2. There's an important difference in the kinds of panic that would occur in these situations. The theater fire one would result in panic because someone had told everyone in the theater that they are in immediate danger. This is going to get a reaction that is almost certainly going to be overwhelmingly negative. Burning a flag is not like that. Any reaction to a flag burning is going to be based on the response of the viewer by their own accord. If I burn a flag in protest of government corruption, and a group of activists sees that as representing anarchy and attack me and my supporters, the aggressor is not me. My action should then not be illegal.
3. Sort of the same point. The aggressor's actions need to be illegal. In the case of religious people, if other people burning your book upsets you to the point of murder (which is likely prohibited in your book our so upset about), then the problem lies with the reactionary rioters, not the person who "started" the riot indirectly.
NOPE, as a Christian I find the idol-worship type reverence for the flag quiet creepy.
I don't "pledge" my allegiance to a flag or country.....that jingoistic nursery-rhyme seems quiet creepy to me also.
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