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Old 05-31-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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We were told that acid rain was deadly, going to destroy civilization....I remember the warnings.
Remember, save the rainforest?

Leftists think everyone has short memories like they do.

 
Old 05-31-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Scientist Dr. Daniel Botkin Tells Congress why he reversed his belief in global warming to become a skeptic: ‘There are several lines of evidence suggesting that it (AGW) is a weaker case today, not a stronger case’ — Rips Obama climate report as ‘filled with misstatements contradicted by well-established and well-known scientific papers’

http://science.house.gov/sites/repub...n-20140529.pdf
Nothing new here.... Botkin has always been a skeptic. He is not an honest man if he claims otherwise.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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How do you figure that I'm anti economy? My province is one of the few places in North America that has a carbon tax, and it's economy is out performing the rest of Canada, plus it has decreased the income taxes I pay....Carbon tax is not the boogy man that Fox news and the fossil fuel companies tell you it is...They are flat out lying to you.
B.C. carbon tax showing positive results - The Globe and Mail
econ 101, when you lower taxes you get economic growth. your province instituted a carbon tax, but they then turned around and mitigated it by cutting income taxes. the carbon isnt what is spurring on your economy, the cuts in income and other taxes is.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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econ 101, when you lower taxes you get economic growth. your province instituted a carbon tax, but they then turned around and mitigated it by cutting income taxes. the carbon isnt what is spurring on your economy, the cuts in income and other taxes is.
Why are you constantly telling me things I already know?...My point was that a carbon tax, if it is done right is not the scary thing that many people think it is. The carbon tax in BC is revenue neutral, which means that every cent that is collected is returned to individuals and businesses through reduced income taxes.

In BC we pay more for fuel, that encourages consumers to use less, and to use more green energy...For instance I used to heat my home with oil, but now my oil furnace is just an unused back up system.

http://www.sustainableprosperity.ca/article3870
 
Old 05-31-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Yeah, come on up to the Great White North and tell the Inuit it's a hoax. I'm sure they'd listen to an august and learned individual such as yourself, telling them it's all in their imagination.
I'll take one of the great minds in science, Freeman Dyson's word, that global warming, climate change, or whatever it's called today, is fake, over the word of some guy on the internet....you. But I'm sure you have it all over a guy like Dyson.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Why are you constantly telling me things I already know?...My point was that a carbon tax, if it is done right is not the scary thing that many people think it is. The carbon tax in BC is revenue neutral, which means that every cent that is collected is returned to individuals and businesses through reduced income taxes.

In BC we pay more for fuel, that encourages consumers to use less, and to use more green energy...For instance I used to heat my home with oil, but now my oil furnace is just an unused back up system.

Sustainable Prosperity | British Columbia Enacted the Most Significant Carbon Tax in the Western Hemisphere. What Happened Next Is It Worked.
because you keep trying to make the point that a carbon tax would be good for an economy, and it isnt.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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The earth heats and cools periodically.

That's all that's going on.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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Why are you constantly telling me things I already know?...My point was that a carbon tax, if it is done right is not the scary thing that many people think it is. The carbon tax in BC is revenue neutral, which means that every cent that is collected is returned to individuals and businesses through reduced income taxes.

In BC we pay more for fuel, that encourages consumers to use less, and to use more green energy...For instance I used to heat my home with oil, but now my oil furnace is just an unused back up system.

Sustainable Prosperity | British Columbia Enacted the Most Significant Carbon Tax in the Western Hemisphere. What Happened Next Is It Worked.

So you have to freeze to be able to afford the heat bill.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I'll take one of the great minds in science, Freeman Dyson's word, that global warming, climate change, or whatever it's called today, is fake, over the word of some guy on the internet....you. But I'm sure you have it all over a guy like Dyson.
Yeah, so will I....Dyson agrees that anthropogenic global warming exists, and has written that of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas.
 
Old 05-31-2014, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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because you keep trying to make the point that a carbon tax would be good for an economy, and it isnt.
You are hopeless....I explained the point I made already.
The fact that so far the BC carbon tax has not hurt our economy just illustrates that it is not the job sucking disaster deniers say it is..

Economies are whipsawed by massive forces all the time. The carbon tax shift has raised the price of petroleum products and natural gas by around 10 per cent -- less than their prices normally vary in a year.

Meanwhile, it's reduced corporate and personal income taxes. Economic theory suggests this swap of taxes will not hurt the economy and may even help. Some studies suggest that B.C.'s carbon tax shift in particular will eventually give British Columbia an economic boost. http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/03/12...bon-Tax-Shift/

http://www.sustainableprosperity.ca/dl891&display

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