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Old 06-01-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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Nope.

I'll give you a real quick history lesson about my ancestors.

The Dutch simply wanted to expand their wealth. First settlers to establish shop in what we now call "New York." That was their forte. Look it up.
The U.S.A. hadn't been invented yet.

The Scots Irish came over for the same reasons, except those folks were more interested in farming. Again, the U.S.A. didn't exist. While incredibly guilty of whacking some local natives...........they were just there to "Grow Their Own."
I repeat; you're here because your ancestors couldn't hack it in Europe.

Unavailability of affordable land, poverty, little access to wealth and education, wars gripping the continent every 20 years, disease, etc, etc..

Don't whitewash history. If they had it so good over there, you wouldn't be here.

No different than the Mexicans or any other group.

 
Old 06-01-2014, 07:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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When did this country go from "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" to "Either come here with something to offer or GTFO"?

That was well before we became a nanny welfare state
 
Old 06-01-2014, 07:22 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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I repeat; you're here because your ancestors couldn't hack it in Europe.

Unavailability of affordable land, poverty, little access to wealth and education, wars gripping the continent every 20 years, disease, etc, etc..

Don't whitewash history. If they had it so good over there, you wouldn't be here.

No different than the Mexicans or any other group.
Land is cheap in Mexico and they beat the French on Cinco de Mayo.....the last time they got their arses handed to them in a real battle was the Mexican-American War.

It's a lot different.
 
Old 06-01-2014, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The American west is still mostly barren.

And why DON'T we need more citizens? Why should our population be capped?

The Founders never espoused a cap on immigration or population that I know of.
How many Mexicans are in Montana?
 
Old 06-01-2014, 08:07 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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When did this country go from "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" to "Either come here with something to offer or GTFO"?
The 1880s. It's currently 2014 ... and we don't need hordes of illiterate workers to work factories and fields. We don't have enough jobs for Americans as it is, our youth and seniors cannot find part time employment.

Personally I think it's time to drastically reduce the amount of legal immigration to less than 10,000 and end the "family reunification" garbage.
 
Old 06-01-2014, 08:09 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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How is that possible when we spend 7.3% of our GDP on education? Tax revenue doesn't even come close to equaling our GDP.
U.S. Education Spending Tops Other Countries

Your numbers are WAY off.
We actually spend more on education than any other OECD country. I have no idea why you think that's "so little."
We can throw all the money in the world into our inner city schools but it achieve a damn thing until THEY (the students) want to learn.

You can lead a horse to water, but can't make him/her drink the water.
 
Old 06-01-2014, 08:19 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I repeat; you're here because your ancestors couldn't hack it in Europe.

Unavailability of affordable land, poverty, little access to wealth and education, wars gripping the continent every 20 years, disease, etc, etc..

Don't whitewash history. If they had it so good over there, you wouldn't be here.

No different than the Mexicans or any other group.
, and if we wish to say "He who is 1st owns the joint", the Indians should kick us out.
 
Old 06-01-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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When we started fearing nthe future, and when those coming were not mostly White Europeans, we disgraced our founding fathers and wanted to insure any more people would not be afforded the opportunities our own ancestors were.
What a crock. The floodgate was opened for mostly non-white immigrants in 1965. Even today we still allow in 1 million per year and most of them aren't white-Europeans. As for opportunities they are dwindling for our own citizens today. Illegal immigration is unacceptable no matter who they are.
 
Old 06-01-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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No.

Because they can make $8 per hour here instead of $6 per day.

They're from a dirtbag country with dirtbag policies with dirty water.
And that's just fine just as long they come here legally. There are a lot more potential immigrants in worse dire straits than Mexicans and yet they continue to be favored in our legal immigration numbers.
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