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Old 06-01-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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R&D budgets appear to be fairly high on a historic basis. That being said, we should double them. Seriously.

Some fusion research could change the world.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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R&D budgets appear to be fairly high on a historic basis. That being said, we should double them. Seriously.

Some fusion research could change the world.
I like a research grant on a study to see how my life would change if I had a billion dollars...
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I question the OP's premise. Every company that produces products invests in R&D to some extent. Oil and other energy companies. Pharma...though much of their costs are government regulations, rather than RD. Automakers. Boeing and every other aircraft company. Intel, Google, Samsumg, Apple-I would expect the same. In my experience, manufacturing companies spend far more than 3% of their profits on R&D.
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I question the OP's premise. Every company that produces products invests in R&D to some extent. Oil and other energy companies. Pharma...though much of their costs are government regulations, rather than RD. Automakers. Boeing and every other aircraft company. Intel, Google, Samsumg, Apple-I would expect the same. In my experience, manufacturing companies spend far more than 3% of their profits on R&D.

One has to be careful when you say industry does R&D, It is mostly very little research and virtually all development usually market research, tweeking the look and feel of a product and the enormously expensive task of taking a an already working prototype to the point you can put it in public hands with out an embarassment or law suit. Very little knowledge, science or technology comes out of such research. Of what is left often funds defensive research which is to give your legal experts the ammo to shoot down competitors who think that new knowlege or technology might be a game changer in the marketplace. There were once great corporate R&D organizations you know Bell Labs, IBM T. J. Watson Labs, RCA's Sarnoff Lab, GE's Labs in Niskayuna NY or The great Eastman Kodak Labs around Rochester but they all fell victim to the Finacial guys who decided to unlock shareholder value and cut out un-needed overhead or cost centers like those costly Science Guys. Scientific breakthoughs don't quickly give much of a ROI, after all that money spent on high temperture superconductors, discovering the 3 degree cosmic microwave background or the discovery of fullerenes didn't make didly for AT&T or IBMl Even when the Labs put great technology in the hands of Corporate managment of the new Post War American type like when RCA decided to not persue things like the new Trinetron TV screen or flat Plasma and liquid crystal displays and sold the patents to Sony and Panasonic,or Kodak who invented the CCD camera selling that technology to the Japanese because Kodak Digital Cameras might cut into profitable sales of Kodak films!! (They were right it certainly did cut film sales to the point Kodak went bankrupt and no longer makes film products).

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Old 06-02-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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What a shame. Think of all the wonderful things we could learn and of all the innovations we could develop. Instead, our money is spend on horrible, selfish endeavours. But at least the military industrial complex and banking elite are doing well.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:59 AM
 
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Do you have something that shows throwing more money at the problem will fix it? We know that throwing more money in schools doesn't fix them.
That's because they don't throw more money into education. It all goes to defense and protecting us from us.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: NC
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With R&D comes a profit after a successful product or process is discovered, so there will always be research going on as people will always be chasing potential profit.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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With R&D comes a profit after a successful product or process is discovered, so there will always be research going on as people will always be chasing potential profit.


Wrong, most scientists have more in common with musicians or artists of serious writers, you don't give a rats ass whether it makes a buck, the principle motivation is its fun or you just love seeing what is beyond that hill blocking your view or you get pleasure from being the first person to see something or to write down and solve an equation that never existed before you scrawled it on a scrap of paper . Scientists don't panic when in doing something you run out of answers in the text books or can't find someone to tell you the answer. You create it and it likely will bear the marks of the person who created it. You have to be able to do this, and its is why just knowing stuff isn't good enough to get a Ph.D. You have to create something in you thesis that didn't exist before and can be run down in a library. This is how scientists (i.e. the good ones) know who is the real deal, who is worth listening or reading his work, and who is the faker and doesn't belong in a meeting or lab. Thomas Edison was never a scientist but created our modern version of development engineering and he created a lot of wealth for his backers. Albert Einstein was a scientist and never made a dime for anybody but he turned our view of the universe, space and time inside out. I think this more than compensated for the fact that Albert was a poor writer and had trouble doing his maths (to the point he was in the habit of have a close friend and colleague check all of his papers and calculations before they saw the light of day. ) You should realize that Einstein esentially flunked out of his German style polytechnic and was self taught. Einstein was a nobody until a friend sent his papers to an editor at Z. PhysiK, Herr Dr. Professor Max Planck (A Great Scientist) (Planck immediately realized this Patent Clerk was the real deal. ) who expedited their publication so the physics community could read them and think about what was being said by Einstein. These 5 papers that were published in 1905 turned the World of physics upside down. Most scientists would be grateful to have just one paper of the import of the 1905 papers Einstein had 5 in one year and all on different physics topics. What Einstein did is an illustration of what has lasting and genuine value unlike money.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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But idf you look private its much higher. That is a good thing that less is publically spent.
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