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Old 06-05-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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You could do so any time you want - so don't point your fingers at me.
It's YOUR choice to respond or not - you chose to NOT. As usual, the folks who champion the "party of personal responsibility" seem to take NO RESPONSIBILITY when it's THEIR ACTIONS in question.

SSDD

Ken
I've been responding once you ended your little fit.
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I've been responding once you ended your little fit.


Ken
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Old 06-05-2014, 02:24 PM
 
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Exact same issue.

Ken
Exactly. Go to any hobby store etc and be good to go in minutes. Some will land it for you.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:13 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Exactly. Go to any hobby store etc and be good to go in minutes. Some will land it for you.
Yeah, ANYONE can buy an aerial drone/remote-controled-camera-equiped flying-device. It's NUTS to be upset with the cops doing it. As I pointed out in a previous post the same wingnuts who argue that honest citizens shouldn't be penalized regarding owning assault weapons etc because of the actions of a relative handful of bad apples are the VERY SAME folks here saying that cops shouldn't be allowed to have drones because of the actions of a relative handful of bad apples.
Then again, common sense and consistancy has never been the hallmark of such people.

Ken
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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Good ;if he helps catch people breaking the law as far as I am concerned.I can here it now;I never saw any one clocking me with radar. You have just been droned. That's not fair.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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I dont think you really listen to others. A neighbor/ criminal violating your privacy with drones is bad and should be dealt with.

A US cop violating your privacy with a drone leads to a no knock invasion, your dog getting shot and your family tased while being hogtied. See rhe difference?
Certainly, there is plenty of room for abuse. Disturbing.

Millions caught in cell phone tracking by US police agencies ...

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“When Miami-Dade [Florida] police bought their Stingray device, they told the City Council the agency needed to monitor protesters at an upcoming world trade conference, according to purchasing records.”

Since the Stingray device can be mounted in a police van and used to gather cell phone data in a given area, it can be used to obtain the identity of anyone involved in a political protest or meeting, so long as they have a cell phone turned on. Cell phones regularly interact with phone towers, or police devices masquerading as a phone tower, even when a call is not being made.
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:54 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Yuu dont think a violation of the privacey with a drone by criminials isn't a violation of your privacy that can lead to a "no knock" home invasion by criminals?
Your dog can't be shot by criminals?
Your family can't be tased while being hogtied by criminals?
I got NEWS for you - such things happen ALL TIME by CRIMINALS.
It's so common it doesn't really even make the NATIONAL NEWS.
It's the very RARITY of that happening by police that MAKES IT NATIONAL NEWS.


So, you think it's OK for CRIMINALS to be able to buy such a drone but it's NOT OK for COPS to have them?
Really?
REALLY?
What planet do you live on when such actions aren't committed FAR MORE OFTEN by criminals than they are by the cops? Tell me WHERE this location is where COPS commit such crimes far more often than criminals do. I'd like to learn where this fairey tale land is. It sure isn't anywhere in the USA.
Ken
You should read the news. Every day I read new stories about police incompetence and brutality. It isn't just a few isolated incidences
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Certainly, there is plenty of room for abuse. Disturbing.

Millions caught in cell phone tracking by US police agencies ...

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“When Miami-Dade [Florida] police bought their Stingray device, they told the City Council the agency needed to monitor protesters at an upcoming world trade conference, according to purchasing records.”

Since the Stingray device can be mounted in a police van and used to gather cell phone data in a given area, it can be used to obtain the identity of anyone involved in a political protest or meeting, so long as they have a cell phone turned on. Cell phones regularly interact with phone towers, or police devices masquerading as a phone tower, even when a call is not being made.
This is disgusting.
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Old 06-06-2014, 03:05 AM
 
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"Spying on church groups and peaceful, non-violent, political gatherings violates civil liberties, wastes scarce police resources and doesn't keep us safe," said Carol Rose, Executive Director of the ACLU of Massachusetts.

After the BPD initially refused public requests to see their surveillance files, the documents were turned over the to ACLU and National Lawyer's Guild (NLG) when the organizations sued for access on behalf of local peace groups and activists. The files had been retained for years, violating federal regulations that reports must be purged in 90 days if they are not connected with criminal or terrorist activity.


https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/18-8

And what happens when the police violate federal regulations? Nothing.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:05 AM
 
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"Spying on church groups and peaceful, non-violent, political gatherings violates civil liberties, wastes scarce police resources and doesn't keep us safe," said Carol Rose, Executive Director of the ACLU of Massachusetts.

After the BPD initially refused public requests to see their surveillance files, the documents were turned over the to ACLU and National Lawyer's Guild (NLG) when the organizations sued for access on behalf of local peace groups and activists. The files had been retained for years, violating federal regulations that reports must be purged in 90 days if they are not connected with criminal or terrorist activity.


https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/18-8

And what happens when the police violate federal regulations? Nothing.
This is the very concerning part. There is a conflict of interest when it comes to liability. This is the only project I have seen to date that even tries to track this problem. Over 17,000 such agencies. Amazing.

2010 Annual Report | PoliceMisconduct.net
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