New Jersey is moving towards a ban on capital punishment.. (employment, interview)

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by 66nexus

No: computers, tv, books, no workout equipment, hell...no crayons. I'll go as evil and as far as no family visits.

Let me try this out on you - I'd like to hear your take:

Here is my idea of an appropriate Jail setting:

Canvas Tents for low / medium security inmates

Blockades for High security inmates.

1 hour per day out of their cell

The only television is Black and White - one channel only - C-Span

No Coffee or tea and no soft drinks - water only. Milk served only once a day

No smoking.

No magazines except Time and Newsweek (and other news type). No sports magazines and no sexually suggestive magazines.

One hot meal per day. Breakfast is cereal. Lunch is bologna sandwiches. Occassional donations from ranchers may allow for some other meats - like Ostrich meat. The only condiment is ketchup. No salt and no pepper allowed

Family visits limited to 1 hour, once every two weeks.

What do you think?

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Let me try this out on you - I'd like to hear your take:

Here is my idea of an appropriate Jail setting:

Canvas Tents for low / medium security inmates

Blockades for High security inmates.

1 hour per day out of their cell

The only television is Black and White - one channel only - C-Span

No Coffee or tea and no soft drinks - water only. Milk served only once a day

No smoking.

No magazines except Time and Newsweek (and other news type). No sports magazines and no sexually suggestive magazines.

One hot meal per day. Breakfast is cereal. Lunch is bologna sandwiches. Occassional donations from ranchers may allow for some other meats - like Ostrich meat. The only condiment is ketchup. No salt and no pepper allowed

Family visits limited to 1 hour, once every two weeks.

What do you think?

We, sir/ma'am, are precisely on the same page. I heard of some sort of tent prison out West where the prisoners actually do stay in tents...we need more of those lol

[saganista]

Originally Posted by 66nexus

Yeah, you want to keep the population sane, in control, and relatively satisfied. Screw that. Bring back chain gangs

I'm sure the friends and families of guards and other prison workers are standing and applauding your every word. So, no doubt, are those of inmates up on drug raps and assorted other low-level and often non-violent crimes. Maybe you should consider that the system dumps between 600 and 700 thousand prisoners back into society every year. That's more than the entire population of Boston. Or Denver. Or Atlanta. Every year. Exactly how sick and he!!-bent for revenge do you really want these nearly 2,000 per day to be???

[saganista]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

Any others for which the penalty is capital puinishment.

No one ever said your logic wasn't circular...

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by saganista

I'm sure the friends and families of guards and other prison workers are standing and applauding your every word. So, no doubt, are those of inmates up on drug raps and assorted other low-level and often non-violent crimes. Maybe you should consider that the system dumps between 600 and 700 thousand prisoners back into society every year. That's more than the entire population of Boston. Or Denver. Or Atlanta. Every year. Exactly how sick and he!!-bent for revenge do you really want these nearly 2,000 per day to be???

The death penalty needs to be brought back in rapes. Up until 1950 rape was punishable by death. Now you have to rape and kill someone to get that sort of sentence. Anyway, point is the death penalty is a great deterent for some crimes, but not all crimes. Whe it was used up until the 1950's rape was at less than 5.1/100,000 American. After it ceased to be used and there are more laxed government laws dealing with rape it sky rocketed to 40/100,000 person. I'm fine with the death penalty. With the advent of technology we can certainly prevent a lot of wrongful deaths via the electric chair, so i say bring it back, cut the states expense on housing prisoners.

Also not sure where you got the fact that close to 1 million prisoners are let out each year. That is not remotely factual. The US has some of the toughest and longest sentences for repeat offenders in the Western World. The sad thing if what you're saying is remotely true, which i doubt is that violent crimanls in the US have high rates of recedivision close to 67% followed by child molesters close to 43%. I say we just fry them from now on and be done with it, but that's me. I'm a compassionate conservative what can i say.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

The death penalty needs to be brought back in rapes.

And, if I may add one more: Sexual assaults on children

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by Greatday

And, if I may add one more: Sexual assaults on children

Ditto! And thanks Greatday

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by saganista

No one ever said your logic wasn't circular...

Or that you were slow on the pickup.

Maybe they should have.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Anyway, point is the death penalty is a great deterent for some crimes, but not all crimes.

It isn't a deterrent for any. And in the case of rape, it only increases the incentive to make sure that the victim dies.

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Whe it was used up until the 1950's rape was at less than 5.1/100,000 American. After it ceased to be used and there are more laxed government laws dealing with rape it sky rocketed to 40/100,000 person.

Have you corrected this insightful analysis for any tendency toward an increased reporting of rape over this time period?

Originally Posted by truthhurts

Also not sure where you got the fact that close to 1 million prisoners are let out each year. That is not remotely factual.

Actually, I said 600 to 700 thousand. Interesting that you don't know where the numbers come from, but are quite convinced that the range cited is not remotely factual. So tell me, what do you think the number really is???

Originally Posted by truthhurts

The US has some of the toughest and longest sentences for repeat offenders in the Western World.

Oh, there's no question that we can put some people away! My God, we do that at a rate roughly five times the global average. Not only do we have the highest rate of incarceration of any country in the world, but we have the largest imprisoned population of any country in the world. Why, it's now to the point where just about 1 out of every 4 people in the world who is in jail is behind bars right here in the good old US of A. We may lag behind some of these other countries in any number of categories, but by golly, locking people up is definitely not one of them.

Originally Posted by truthhurts

The sad thing if what you're saying is remotely true, which i doubt is that violent crimanls in the US have high rates of recedivision close to 67% followed by child molesters close to 43%. I say we just fry them from now on and be done with it, but that's me. I'm a compassionate conservative what can i say.

Per DOJ's published data, the 3-year recidivism rate re any felony or high misdemeanor is 67% for an arrest, 47% for a conviction, and 25% for more jail time. Meanwhile, the 5-year recidivism rate for a child molester was 13% for a sex crime of any sort, and 37% for a crime of any other sort. Recidivism rates for sexual offenders in general are low, and are falling.

[truthhurts]

Originally Posted by Greatday

And, if I may add one more: Sexual assaults on children

Great day good point, but you know the argument on server deterrents for people that assult children. "Oh if you make the punishment more server they'll just kill the children." Which i think is the biggest bs ever! Considering the following facts

1. Most child absuers are known to the victim (ie family member, friend of family etc)
2. Very rare that a stranger will abduct your child and abuse them (it does happen and is sensationalized on the news, but in reality is ver rare)
3. These freaks have the second highest rate of recedivisim out of the entire prison population
4. These individuals are estimated to cause more damage to society than drug dealers, murderers, and bank robbers combined.

I have never understood why the book is not thrown at them or lethal injection of some sort.