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Actually, liberals hate the idea of law-abiding citizens owning guns. They're afraid of guns, especially in the hands of those who might put them to use in defense of their own lives. It's an interesting mindset, actually, because they defend and condone the criminal activities that take place in liberal bastions while at the same time condemning people who wish to defend themselves from those very same criminals.
It has not one damn thing with law abiding citizens owning guns for protection.
Explain to me why a 10 yr old boy can kill his neighbor's child with a gun and not give a damn which happened a couple of weeks ago. The age does not seem to matter any longer.
The 16 yr old who killed every member of his family a couple of weeks ago, and did not seem to have any remorse what so ever. And killed his younger brother, who can do this and live with themself.
We have to figure out why so many people young old and in-between, no longer care about human life. And can actually pull the damn trigger.
WTF is happening that people no longer care for humans, and have no problem what so ever with taking a innocent person's life.
Oh but it is perfectly acceptable for loons to own guns, but law abiding citizens can't guess what, don't think so. But to all gun owners, if your going to own a damn gun, take responsibility for owning those guns. Guns for no reason what so ever, should be left out where children, get curious.
People seem to no longer care about killing and taking a innocent person's life. When you have young school age children doing this, teenagers do this now more then ever. What does this say. Someone has to pull the damn trigger. Those who kill seem to have no problem doing this. Are all these people who kill, ill, do they need to be on medication. Maybe some but definitely not all. Something does have to change, but definitely not people owning guns for protection, while loons are running around with guns. A teenager or a young child who kills, in my opinion is not a gun nut.
Actually, liberals hate the idea of law-abiding citizens owning guns. They're afraid of guns, especially in the hands of those who might put them to use in defense of their own lives. It's an interesting mindset, actually, because they defend and condone the criminal activities that take place in liberal bastions while at the same time condemning people who wish to defend themselves from those very same criminals.
You can deny it all day but the Las Vegas shooters were ideologically aligned with the Tea Party, even using the Gadsden flag the Tea Party loves to carry. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and yell "I'm not listening!" but it doesn't change anything.
That aside, the problem with all this gun carrying is rarely does the gun use result from "defense of their own lives" as you say. Rarely. In fact, there are some ironic outcomes recently.
The guy that was carrying a gun in WalMart that tried to stop the Las Vegas shooters, got himself shot instead.
The guy that stopped the shooting in Seattle didn't have a gun, he used pepper spray.
The retired cop that was carrying a gun in a movie theater in Florida, killed a guy for being on a cell phone. He claims he was being attacked, that the guy came over the seat - the problem is the video shows nothing of the sort and not a single witness, including his wife, saw the other guy attack him in any way. Oops. The guy got mad and just happened to have a gun - now he's an old guy in jail and the victim's daughter has to grow up without her father.
So after 26 pages, have we gotten any far right-winger to admit that this recent event is what happens when the anti-government/pro-gun shtick goes too far?
You can deny it all day but the Las Vegas shooters were ideologically aligned with the Tea Party, even using the Gadsden flag the Tea Party loves to carry. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and yell "I'm not listening!" but it doesn't change anything.
That aside, the problem with all this gun carrying is rarely does the gun use result from "defense of their own lives" as you say. Rarely. In fact, there are some ironic outcomes recently.
The guy that was carrying a gun in WalMart that tried to stop the Las Vegas shooters, got himself shot instead.
The guy that stopped the shooting in Seattle didn't have a gun, he used pepper spray.
The retired cop that was carrying a gun in a movie theater in Florida, killed a guy for being on a cell phone. He claims he was being attacked, that the guy came over the seat - the problem is the video shows nothing of the sort and not a single witness, including his wife, saw the other guy attack him in any way. Oops. The guy got mad and just happened to have a gun - now he's an old guy in jail and the victim's daughter has to grow up without her father.
What the Las Vegas shooter did has nothing to do with the Tea Party. The Tea Party is not promoting the killing of anyone nor is it anti-government.
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You can deny it all day but the Las Vegas shooters were ideologically aligned with the Tea Party, even using the Gadsden flag the Tea Party loves to carry. You can plug your ears, close your eyes and yell "I'm not listening!" but it doesn't change anything.
That aside, the problem with all this gun carrying is rarely does the gun use result from "defense of their own lives" as you say. Rarely. In fact, there are some ironic outcomes recently.
The guy that was carrying a gun in WalMart that tried to stop the Las Vegas shooters, got himself shot instead.
The guy that stopped the shooting in Seattle didn't have a gun, he used pepper spray.
The retired cop that was carrying a gun in a movie theater in Florida, killed a guy for being on a cell phone. He claims he was being attacked, that the guy came over the seat - the problem is the video shows nothing of the sort and not a single witness, including his wife, saw the other guy attack him in any way. Oops. The guy got mad and just happened to have a gun - now he's an old guy in jail and the victim's daughter has to grow up without her father.
I can post dozens of past and recent case and news reports where gun owners have saved their lives or someone else's with a firearm... If you want me to post more, just ask... Just because you can point to an isolated incident where pepper spray was used to stop a guy with a gun or that a guy with a gun was killed defending himself rather as opposed to being killed unarmed does NOT prove that there aren't thousands of under reported and/or purposely ignore cases where firearms have been used to save lives. Even if the gun owner was killed trying to stop the slaughter of unarmed people, at least he had a chance to stop it.
Also using the same logic that you used on the Las Vegas gun owner who was killed, should we take guns away from Law Enforcement being that there are examples that some officers are also killed while in a gun fight with criminals? Should we we take guns away from law enforcement being that there are examples where a shooter was stopped via non lethal means?
Last edited by DoniDanko; 06-10-2014 at 11:29 AM..
To me, these two people represent: the mentally unstable.
I do not associate them with the Tea Party, Second Amendment advocates, or any other party or belief system.
The mentally unstable often seem to search for a 'cause' as a way to direct or channel their emotions. The 'cause' itself is not important.
Somehow, these two aimless, unstable people chanced upon each other, and then chanced upon a 'cause' to direct their emotions. The trigger for their identifying with the 'sovereign' nation movement was probably happenstance, and occurred at random (perhaps one read a newspaper article, or chanced upon some website).
The 'trigger' that moved them down a particular path could have been one of many:
Abortion: if they had gone down that route, perhaps after being given some brochure or such at an opportune time, they would still have gone into that restaurant, killed those police officers, and then draped some anti-abortion flag across the bodies, yelling "The revolution has begun".
Animal rights: again, if they happened upon this 'issue' at the right time (i.e., their unstable minds seeking a cause), they then would have gone into that restaurant, killed the policemen, draped some PETA flag over the bodies, and yelled "The revolution has begun".
Gun control: again, if their unstable minds had seized upon this issue, they would still have gone into that restaurant, killed the policemen, draped some flag featuring children killed by a gunman, and yelled "The revolution has begun!", thinking that by using guns to murder these men the people would rise up and demand gun control.
These were mentally ill people seeking a cause to give their life 'meaning' and to focus their thoughts. There are still many such people out there, rambling around, listening to the voices in their head, and seeking something to focus on.
It has not one damn thing with law abiding citizens owning guns for protection.
Explain to me why a 10 yr old boy can kill his neighbor's child with a gun and not give a damn which happened a couple of weeks ago. The age does not seem to matter any longer.
The 16 yr old who killed every member of his family a couple of weeks ago, and did not seem to have any remorse what so ever. And killed his younger brother, who can do this and live with themself.
We have to figure out why so many people young old and in-between, no longer care about human life. And can actually pull the damn trigger.
WTF is happening that people no longer care for humans, and have no problem what so ever with taking a innocent person's life.
Oh but it is perfectly acceptable for loons to own guns, but law abiding citizens can't guess what, don't think so. But to all gun owners, if your going to own a damn gun, take responsibility for owning those guns. Guns for no reason what so ever, should be left out where children, get curious.
People seem to no longer care about killing and taking a innocent person's life. When you have young school age children doing this, teenagers do this now more then ever. What does this say. Someone has to pull the damn trigger. Those who kill seem to have no problem doing this. Are all these people who kill, ill, do they need to be on medication. Maybe some but definitely not all. Something does have to change, but definitely not people owning guns for protection, while loons are running around with guns. A teenager or a young child who kills, in my opinion is not a gun nut.
What's happening? Liberal policies in action.
Liberals didn't want firearms education in school, even though when firearms education was in school there were far fewer instances of children using firearms on other children.
Liberals decided that allowing parents to discipline their children was counter-productive. We are now seeing the results of 20 years or so of undisciplined children.
Liberals didn't want religion anywhere near schools, even though religion was about the only exposure to morals that many kids had. Now we have a bunch of kids running around with the idea that they can do anything they want because it feels right.
Liberals decided that children didn't need to know that not everyone is a winner and came up with the "everyone gets a trophy" scheme. Now we have a bunch of entitlement minded twits running around getting angry because life isn't fair.
Liberal policies encourage the breakdown of family units by rewarding single mothers. Now we have a bunch of kids growing up with single parents who have no supervision and no idea what acceptable behavior is.
There are a few more examples for you.
Are all liberal policies bad? No, but the majority of liberal social policies, especially those related to family, are absolutely horrendous. Just about the only family related policy that the liberals have managed to get right in the last few decades is support for gay marriage, and that isn't enough to offset the idiocy that liberal policies have inflicted on us over the past half a century.
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