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Old 12-14-2007, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Much has been said about how we are allowed to have guns in the US and how there are MORE people killed here then elsewhere. Well check out this study which breaks it down per capita which is the only way to fairly measure such a thing.

The US isn't even on the list.

I had been searching for a state list and ran across this one. There SEEMS to be alot of violence here in Florida, I was looking for something that would tell me if the level here is unusual.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_and_non_man_percap-murder-nonnegligent-manslaughter-per-capita (broken link)

Florida is 25, I guess that should make me feel better but it doesn't. In the last week they have found three bodies, one of them dismembered, parts left in a bags in a retention pond. I live in the same Daytona Beach, Volusia.

 
Old 12-14-2007, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Well, no doubt, a lot of gun supporters will wonder how more murder and other crime there would be in the USA if guns were banned.

But then some people will have to wonder why crime such as murder is lower in other countries where firearms are banned or severely restricted.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 12:23 AM
 
Location: wrong planet
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What do you mean, they aren't "on the list"? The US is number 24 highest out of 62 countries, according to your link.

#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
#25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
#26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
#29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
#32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
#36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
#37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
#40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
#41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
#42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
#61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
#62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people
 
Old 12-15-2007, 01:15 AM
 
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The figures are not quite accurate. According to the FBI's 2006 'Uniform Crime Report,' the murder rate for the entire US was 5.7 per 100,000 people. I have a state-by-state list of murder rates, as well. Canada's rate, according to Statistics Canada, was 1.9 in 2006.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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The figures are not quite accurate. According to the FBI's 2006 'Uniform Crime Report,' the murder rate for the entire US was 5.7 per 100,000 people. I have a state-by-state list of murder rates, as well. Canada's rate, according to Statistics Canada, was 1.9 in 2006.
These stats are for 2005 so that might explain the difference.

Sorry I didn't look closely enough, the link I followed said they weren't on the list and I didn't look to make sure.

I am still surprised after all that has been said that the list plays out this way. AND kind of glad when I look at the list of the states, I have been getting really worried about Florida.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 01:35 AM
 
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Well, here is the complete list of states for 2006, in terms of rates per 100,000:

1. Louisiana - 9.9

2. Maryland - 9.7

3. Nevada - 9.0

4. Alabama - 8.3

4. South Carolina - 8.3

6. Mississippi - 7.7

7. Arizona - 7.5

8. Arkansas - 7.3

9. Michigan - 7.1

10. California - 6.8

10. New Mexico - 6.8

10. Tennessee - 6.8

13. Georgia - 6.4

14. Missouri - 6.3

15. Florida - 6.2

16. Illinois - 6.1

16. North Carolina - 6.1

18. Pennsylvania - 5.9

18. Texas - 5.9

20. Indiana - 5.8

20. Oklahoma - 5.8

2006 national rate of the US - 5.7

22. Alaska - 5.4

23. Virginia - 5.2

24. Delaware - 4.9

24. New Jersey - 4.9

26. New York - 4.8

27. Ohio - 4.7

28. Kansas - 4.6

29. West Virginia - 4.1

30. Kentucky - 4.0

31. Colorado - 3.3

32. Connecticut - 3.1

33. Washington - 3.0

33. Wisconsin - 3.0

35. Massachusetts - 2.9

36. Nebraska - 2.8

37. Rhode Island - 2.6

38. Idaho - 2.5

39. Minnesota - 2.4

40. Oregon - 2.3

2006 national rate of Canada - 1.9

41. Vermont - 1.9

42. Iowa - 1.8

42. Montana - 1.8

42. Utah - 1.8

45. Maine - 1.7

45. Wyoming - 1.7

47. Hawaii - 1.6

2006 national rate of England and Wales - 1.4

48. North Dakota - 1.3

49. South Dakota - 1.2

50. New Hampshire - 1.0
 
Old 12-15-2007, 06:48 AM
 
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Stop for a second and realize how many murders by gun are part of drug culture in America. You can look at charts from 1900-2000 on per capita murders and see that when prohibition began in 1919, there was a sharp rise in murders all the way up until 1933 when it was repealed, and an immediate and large drop occured. Violent gangs were associated with the booze trade and were ruthless in using guns to keep their highly profitable illegal business going. The numbers were relatively flat until guess what??? The "war on drugs". An immediate spike began and rose until we reached our current levels.

Remove the war on drugs from America and you save the taxpayers billions while dropping gun crime by anywhere from 25-75% in less than 5 years. Most of the homicides by gun are drug related.

Guns don't kill people, the war on drugs kills people!!!
 
Old 12-15-2007, 10:28 AM
 
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Well, no doubt, a lot of gun supporters will wonder how more murder and other crime there would be in the USA if guns were banned.

But then some people will have to wonder why crime such as murder is lower in other countries where firearms are banned or severely restricted.
Go look again who is on top of the state list? Full gun contol there.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Boothbay, ME
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Originally Posted by Lindsey_Mcfarren View Post
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita

Much has been said about how we are allowed to have guns in the US and how there are MORE people killed here then elsewhere. Well check out this study which breaks it down per capita which is the only way to fairly measure such a thing.

The US isn't even on the list.

I had been searching for a state list and ran across this one. There SEEMS to be alot of violence here in Florida, I was looking for something that would tell me if the level here is unusual.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_and_non_man_percap-murder-nonnegligent-manslaughter-per-capita (broken link)

Florida is 25, I guess that should make me feel better but it doesn't. In the last week they have found three bodies, one of them dismembered, parts left in a bags in a retention pond. I live in the same Daytona Beach, Volusia.
I wouldn't be too proud of the US' ranking here. According to this ranking then the crime rate in the US is the highest among Western nations. It is no great shakes to be ranked ahead of South Africa and Colombia etc.
 
Old 12-15-2007, 02:57 PM
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Location: NEFL/Chi, IL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie View Post

But then some people will have to wonder why crime such as murder is lower in other countries where firearms are banned or severely restricted.
Vermont has the least gun laws of any state in the union.
It is the only state (other than Alaska) that doesn't require a permit of any kind for anyone to carry a concealed handgun.

It's murder rate is profoundly lower than almost every other state, including the states where handguns are heavily restricted, and cities where they're banned.

The issue is a lot more complex than the "guns".
Matter of fact, 90% of the whole "gun issue" doesn't even have anything to do with the guns themselves.
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