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Old 06-11-2014, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Then Mexico should be among the safest countries on the planet!
Not only that, Americans should have killed themselves off in the first 50 years or so, since firearms ownership was close to %100.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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A Harvard study finds that the more guns in circulation the more likely there will be homicides. Did we really need a study to find that out? Here are more studies we should do:

Does having a gun in your home increase the likelihood of a gun accident?

Do more cars on the road result in more accidents?

Does eating a gallon of ice cream everyday cause weight gain?
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Not a study, four different studies over a decade. We get the same results over and over again. More guns, more homicides, more gun crimes. Less guns, less homicide, less gun crimes. It's that simple.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:33 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Here's a link to four excellent peer reviewed studies done over an extended period of time all across the country and each time the evidence points them to the exact same conclusion, that more guns a place has the more homocides it has. More guns equals more gun violence. Now, this is actual fact based research which directly contridicts the claims of the gun nuts who, wrongly, claim that more guns makes everyone safer. The facts and the evidence all show the exact opposite is true; more guns means more gun violence and more killing making ALL people less safe.

Homicide | Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard School of Public Health




I'm sure the gun nuts will chime in with the same old disproven cliches just like they always do. They never do let facts get in the way of their fetish.


great. since cities and urban areas tend to be more democratic and the country and suburbs tend to be more conservative, I think that this persons study should be changed from the state to the urban vs country. that way we can get a true sense on how bad the urban (democrat) areas are vs the country (conservative) area is.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:36 PM
 
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Not a study, four different studies over a decade. We get the same results over and over again. More guns, more homicides, more gun crimes. Less guns, less homicide, less gun crimes. It's that simple.
I take it you are ignoring the Harvard study that found gun control counterproductive.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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Not a study, four different studies over a decade. We get the same results over and over again. More guns, more homicides, more gun crimes. Less guns, less homicide, less gun crimes. It's that simple.
Yet in the states with higher gun ownership there is less murder with guns. You seem to be missing the key sentence.


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You understand what they are doing here right? They are taking the rates and then weighting them , the more rural you are the higher the weight.

All I can tell you is this, nearly every person where I live owns a weapon. I hear gunshots all the time. One of the least things I'm worried about is getting killed by someone with a gun. I'm more likely to have tree limb fall and hit me which almost happened the other day.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:28 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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You understand what they are doing here right? They are taking the rates and then weighting them , the more rural you are the higher the weight.
No, they are removing the effects of other variables so the effect of one variable alone (number of guns) can be isolated. Generally this is done with regression.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:31 PM
 
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Not a study, four different studies over a decade. We get the same results over and over again. More guns, more homicides, more gun crimes. Less guns, less homicide, less gun crimes. It's that simple.
To a simplistic mind.

It doesn't work that way in the real world.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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Look at this way.

  • The national murder rate is 5.
  • The murder rate by firearms (or any murder) for the last few decades in my small community is 0 and as I noted everyone has a gun.
  • The murder rate in my county also with a high rate of gun ownership with a population of 300K which has mix of small towns and semi rural areas is anywhere from 1 to 2 when we exclude one small city.
  • That small city in my county has a murder rate of about 30 in 2013 driven by black on black violence.
  • Detroit has murder rate of 54


Where do you want to live if safety is your concern?
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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I take it you are ignoring the Harvard study that found gun control counterproductive.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
That's a study from 1979 which the author has since said is outdated and not applicable.

That did indeed get published and then torn apart and debunked as shoddy work riddled with statistical errors. The paper was than withdrawn by its authors.

Shoddy Gun Paper Excites Right Wing | MyFDL

That eight years later the right wing is still trying to sell this debunked paper tells you just how desperate they are and how all the research really has gone against them.
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