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Old 06-14-2014, 04:24 AM
 
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Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas
You should be more worried about the fact that we're over due for an earth killing asteroid.

Or am I just an uneducated Neanderthal?
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:26 AM
 
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What is the plan to cool down the planet?

I've yet to get an answer to this. Let's say AGW warming is real... what is the plan to stop it?
Gigantic air conditioners.

You know, plug them into the magic holes in the wall.

Lefties love electric things.
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Old 06-14-2014, 04:33 AM
 
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It's always entertaining to me when I read comments that deny climate change is happening. Over 98% of scientists agree that it is, and that carbon emissions are a major factor. If 98% of structural engineers told you to not enter a particular building because it's unsafe, would you go in anyway? I've spent a fair amount of my career living outside of the United States and I can assure you that this is settled science everywhere else in the World. Only in the U.S. has it become a political, rather than scientific, issue.
No, you can't assure me of that. Science is never settled. The minute science becomes settled, it stops being science.

Science is based on experimentation and testing hypotheses. Global warming is based on computer models, all of which have so far turned out to be inaccurate. By definition, nothing which is based on hypothetical models can be settled.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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High carbon dioxide levels can retard plant growth, study reveals....Writing in the journal Science, researchers concluded that elevated atmospheric CO2 actually reduces plant growth when combined with other likely consequences of climate change -- namely, higher temperatures, increased precipitation or increased nitrogen deposits in the soil.
Climate change surprise: High carbon dioxide levels can retard plant growth, study reveals : 12/02

A very deceptive title by the way.

"The three-factor combination of increased temperature, precipitation and nitrogen deposition produced the largest stimulation [an 84 percent increase], but adding CO2 reduced this to 40 percent," Shaw and her colleagues wrote.

So we'll have to settle for a 40% increase in plant growth instead of 84%?

I noticed that you repeated the same lie.



Rebecca Shaw | Environmental Defense Fund

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Old 06-14-2014, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The "deniers" are not risking yours or their futures. They are risking the grandkids futures.
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Old 06-14-2014, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The "deniers" are not risking yours or their futures. They are risking the grandkids futures.
It's the Global Alarmist liars and the gullible believers that are a bigger threat.

BTW, if someone is a "denier", how is that risking anything. So I may be a denier in your eyes but have a smaller "carbon footprint" than you do....I ride my bike to work and I have a large solar array for power. Al Gore is a famous Global Alarmist liar and he flies around in his personal jet spewing millions of gallons of fuel into the atmosphere. When he bikes or sails everywhere he goes and moves into a 300 square foot apartment and doesn't use electricity, he'll at least have some moral authority (though still a fool).

I saw someone ask what do you Global Alarmist propose to stop climate change and see no answer....I guess because you can't stop the climate from changing...always has and always will.
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Old 06-14-2014, 06:26 AM
 
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That is a rather useless analogy...We are talking science here...If you want to debate religion, there is a forum for that.
Face palm! climate change is a religion! MIT professor: global warming is a 'religion' | The Daily Caller

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...rding-to-gore/
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Old 06-14-2014, 06:42 AM
 
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What El Nino? There is no El Nino now.
Educate yourself.

News - How will El Nino impact weather patterns? - The Weather Network
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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You are wrong, it is the denier's side that is influenced by these things, bought and paid for by big oil.
You are wrong, it is both sides who are influenced by these things

“I had the privilege of being fired by Al Gore, since I refused to go along with his alarmism....I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect....Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science. The earth's climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”
Will Harper, Princeton University physicist, former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy

"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment."
Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency

"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."
Emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

"It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty."
Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Certainly not adequately, as carbon emissions continue to rise.
so should we nuke china, or neuter the entire country? what is the end game with you extremists? banning oil? I actually wouldn't mind that. it would hurt the middle east.
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