How can people deny the Millers were right-wing terrorists? (legal, Obama, abortion)
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Why are you and other gun grabbers so obsessed with sex?
Do you have sex with inanimate objects?
Uh... what?
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Originally Posted by Xander_Crews
Walking around with a slung rifle is not a threat of violence. They do not hurt peaceful people, nor do they say the would under any circumstance.
Yeah, I think it isn't prudent either... doesn't make it violence or a threat of violence.
This is a lie, a heavy majority are speaking in the context of defense weapons. Drop the hyperbole, you are just making things up now.
Ok, ok, walking around in public brandishing a weapon has nothing to do with violence. No idea what I was thinking. Paying bills is the real violence, not anything as freedomy as weapons.
You find facts and reality funny? OK, but realize everyone else is laughing at you not with you. Take a polisci course because, yes, fascism by definition is right wing authoritarianism no matter how much you wish it wasn't.
fas·cism (fshzm)n.1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Nope, fascism is not "by definition" right wing authoritarianism.
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They draped that flag over the murder victims as a show of support for an ideology.
Or, are we to believe that they only purchased that specific flag because it was on sale that week, and had a different flag been on sale, they might have instead used one representing a local sports team or one of a random nation... Based upon your post, I'm assuming that if you saw somebody with a Nazi flag on their car or truck, you'd assume they were just using up a gift card from that website and it didn't actually mean anything, right? Because people do that all the time...
The excuses around here are just laughable sometimes...
Lol, really? You are going to tell me the evidence isn't there... and then for counter-evidence you provide nothing but opinion?
You are burying your head in the sand and being intentionally intellectually dishonest.
You have provided NO proof that a majority or even a large minority of the "right-wing" believes in racist ideals, violence, etc... "I met a guy..." doesn't count as evidence, so it is laughable that you would lecture anyone on evidence since you don't even know what the word means.
The fact that you compare "raise the taxes on the rich" with "kill the muslims, gays, etc.." just shows your bias and dishonesty. The "weathermen" did not ask for more taxes, THEY BLEW UP POLICE STATIONS! The M19C0 did not ask for more taxes, they killed people robbing banks for money to BLOW UP POLICE STATIONS!
Your opinion of people you met does not count as evidence, and your clear bias and intellectual dishonesty leads me to *NOT* believe your stories about people you met.
Perhaps the poster does have first hand evidence......there seems to be a pattern.
Radicals exist in all groups and they're always dangerous. Whether it's radical conservatives, radical liberals, radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Atheists (yes they do exist), radical anything is bad and should be condemned and not used to represent an entire group of people.
Though the information you provided does not necessarily mean they were "right-wing extremists". They could have been anarchists for all we know, though let's just call them what there were, lunatics.
Radicals exist in all groups and they're always dangerous. Whether it's radical conservatives, radical liberals, radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical Atheists (yes they do exist), radical anything is bad and should be condemned and not used to represent an entire group of people.
I think "violent" would have been a better word choice than "radical". Most radicals currently and historically have not engaged in aggressive violence, and there is nothing violent about radicalism per se - one could be a radical pacifist for example. Of course there are violent radicals, a far bigger percentage than are found among moderates, but the critical distinction is between violent and non-violent, not between moderate and extreme.
I agree with you, though, that the most extreme members of a certain faction shouldn't be used to represent that faction as a whole.
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Though the information you provided does not necessarily mean they were "right-wing extremists". They could have been anarchists for all we know, though let's just call them what there were, lunatics.
I completely agree with that. Lunatics killing people because of right-wing views doesn't reflect poorly on right-wingers, any more than lunatics killing women because they were wearing skirts would reflect poorly on people who don't want women to wear skirts.
"Their Facebook pages detail a descent into a murderous rage, railing against a tyrannical government and parroting talking points from fright-wing radio hosts such as Alex Jones and militia movement groups such as the Three Percenters while 'liking' the pages of conservative activist groups ranging from the Heritage Foundation to FreedomWorks and the NRA. Miller’s profile picture was a skull wearing an American flag bandana against a backdrop of crossed knives over the word 'Patriot'...[Jared] Miller Miller reposted articles from Alex Jones’s InfoWars website, promoted slogans about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives being a domestic terrorist organization, and was deeply into Second Amendment advocacy organizations."
And yet, some people, including several on this forum, continue to insist the Millers were "liberals" or "left-wing." How can people be that dense???
conservatives are in fantasyland. Reality is irrelevant to most conservatives. conservatives in order to remain conservative have to disappear and ignore and pretend a lot of things about the world.
So pretending that that violent right wingers whose political beliefs informed their violence are really liberals is a thing amongst conservatives.
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