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Old 06-18-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I will admit its been a long time since I have used Outlook for my email client so my familiarity with it is dated, but this training, hosted on a Microsoft site, shows how to setup personnel folders to move (not copy messages) from the Exchange Server to to your local hard drive.

Manage your mailbox II: Understand your choices for long-term saving - Training

To free up server space You may want to do this, for example, if you're getting reminders from your system administrator that your mailbox is about to reach its size limit.
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As you've learned, for both Archive and Personal Folders, messages are moved (not copied) to an Outlook folder. With both methods, you'll always be able to access your moved messages from a folder in the Navigation Pane in Outlook.
Another similarity between the methods is that the folders, the subfolders, and the messages they contain are stored in a file on your computer called an Outlook data file. Other names for an Outlook data file include Office Outlook Personal Folders File, PST, and personal store (because you personally store a PST file on your own computer).
First..only admins have access to servers.

Lerner never was an IT admin.
Very few employees have access to the server and they all work in IT.

 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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First..only admins have access to servers.

Lerner never was an IT admin.
Very few employees have access to the server and they all work in IT.
One does not have to be an Admin to create personnel folders and move your data from the server to the local drive. Once the local personnel folder is setup it can be done with a drag and drop operation from the folder on the server to the folder on the local drive.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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One does not have to be an Admin to create personnel folders and move your data from the server to the local drive. Once the local personnel folder is setup it can be done with a drag and drop operation from the folder on the server to the folder on the local drive.
That user function still doesn't remove the stored sent/received files from the server.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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That user function still doesn't remove the stored sent/received files from the server.
As you've learned, for both Archive and Personal Folders, messages are moved (not copied) to an Outlook folder.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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First..only admins have access to servers.

Lerner never was an IT admin.
Very few employees have access to the server and they all work in IT.
Plus, the IRS and the DoJ use those same servers. Even if someone's personal desktop computer hard drive might crash, they have backup servers which copy and store their data on a nightly basis.


 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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As you've learned, for both Archive and Personal Folders, messages are moved (not copied) to an Outlook folder.
I understand what you've read and I also understand that this document is meant for the average desktop user looking to get rid of the "your inbox is full" notice they keep getting. Creating a personal folder and moving emails to it does not eliminate those messages from the email server. You are only creating a copy of the data on the local machine.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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Plus, the IRS and the DoJ use those same servers. Even if someone's personal desktop computer hard drive might crash, they have backup servers which copy and store their data on a nightly basis.

It is literally, technically, virtually and common sensibly IMPOSSIBLE for the story that we are being told to be true. It's also absurd that people are stupid enough to believe any part of it.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Originally Posted by WilliamSmyth View Post
I will admit its been a long time since I have used Outlook for my email client so my familiarity with it is dated, but this training, hosted on a Microsoft site, shows how to setup personnel folders to move (not copy messages) from the Exchange Server to to your local hard drive.

Manage your mailbox II: Understand your choices for long-term saving - Training

To free up server space You may want to do this, for example, if you're getting reminders from your system administrator that your mailbox is about to reach its size limit.
...
As you've learned, for both Archive and Personal Folders, messages are moved (not copied) to an Outlook folder. With both methods, you'll always be able to access your moved messages from a folder in the Navigation Pane in Outlook.
Another similarity between the methods is that the folders, the subfolders, and the messages they contain are stored in a file on your computer called an Outlook data file. Other names for an Outlook data file include Office Outlook Personal Folders File, PST, and personal store (because you personally store a PST file on your own computer).
You understand that that's entirely irrelevant, if they're using Exchange 2007 or later (and they really have to be).

Exchange 2010 and 2013 do not delete mail (even when the user deletes it) it tags is as "deleted" which does not add to the users quota, and will not show up in the users mailbox, but it still exists on the server. Even 2007 (and maybe earlier) had the "dumpster" that mail was dropped into on deletion, that was searchable and discoverable and did not require a restore from a PIT backup (caveat if a mailbox migration occurred in 2007, then the dumpster was wiped and would need a VSS or PIT restore). However as I've said earlier, there are already a lot of ANDS needed for Lerners and the IRS story to actually rationally occur, adding in another two ANDS (using a downlevel server version [2007] and Mailbox Migration) makes it less likely that rationally it could have happened randomly with any probable likelihood.

The "training" still applies in respect to the user, because hitting delete removes the mail size from your quota, but doesn't remove the mail. That's defined by the IT policy and has been for a very long time (technically speaking). Now the training tells the person what they need to know, most users don't need to know about the dumpster or recoverability of their mail (because people might get paranoid about something they sent or received or whatever).
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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One does not have to be an Admin to create personnel folders and move your data from the server to the local drive. Once the local personnel folder is setup it can be done with a drag and drop operation from the folder on the server to the folder on the local drive.
Baahhhaaa haaa haaa
 
Old 06-18-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Well the emails of Lerner and 6 or 7 others associated with this "phony scandal" are all gone.
So let's all just forget about this and move on..right ?

That's pretty much what the IRS is telling the Republicans in Congress.
The Dems in Congress just want this to all go away before elections.
Why do you think the IRS emails to Democrats were lost?

Because they were in on it, and there could be a massive Republican Tsunami in November if it is revealed that several Democrats were in on the illegal targeting of political dissenters.
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