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Old 06-28-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Lucidkitty View Post
Morality is subjective.
Of course, and perhaps more subjective than you yourself realize.

 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:13 AM
 
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What I am saying is that if those like yourself, who say abortion is "murder," were truly motivated by a desire to save children, they would have a plan for how to keep those children alive, healthy and happy after they were born. But they have no such plan. This suggests to me that they are not motivated by a genuine desire to save children. More likely, they are motivated by a desire to control women.
This appears to be a case of the appeal to motive fallacy.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ReturningWest View Post
OP when you can get pregnant get back to me.
This might be an example of the argumentum ad hominem fallacy.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:20 AM
 
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
1. You have a choice, too. Keep it in your pants.

2. Wrap it up. Get a vasectomy.

3. These debates always degenerate into men saying they should be allowed to impregnate women and then just walk away, leaving her holding the bag.
If you don`t want us to have control of your sperm, stop giving it to us.
1. And this is similar to what politically anti-abortion people tell women.

2. Condoms and vasectomies are not 100% efficient/effective. However, I am very interested in getting castrated; thus, it would be very nice if you showed me an easy way to get this done.

3. You are aware that, except in cases of rape, females have just as much say in regards to whether or not sex occurs as a male does, correct? One can just as easily state that if a female does not want to risk her partner becoming a "deadbeat dad", then she shouldn't let a fertile male stick his d*ck inside of her in the first place. After all, there are the options of having sex with trans-men, having lesbian sex, and having other kinds of sex with fertile males which do not involve sticking a d*ck into a vagina.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:22 AM
 
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That's not the requirement. Men still have to pay child support even if the woman steals or buys the sperm.
Yep, and this is morally unjustifiable and should be changed regardless of what the legal status of abortion is.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
I oppose eating meat. An innocent being's life is terminated. Meat should be illegal.
No bacon for you!!!
Deal?
If you want to advocate in favor of bans on killing animals, then go ahead.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:24 AM
 
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I gave you three choices.
And yet you forgot to mention my favorite choice in regards to this.

Plus, two of the three choices which you listed here are not 100% effective/efficient.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:26 AM
 
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1. Anytime you present an argument that states that women are nothing more than incubators you are controlling someones body.

2. I have also found that the vast majority of anti abortion people tend to come from the same stock that consistently votes against matters involving women's rights and equality.
1. Yep, and likewise, anytime you present an argument in favor of the draft you are controlling someone's body.

2. This appears to be a case of the argumentum ad hominem fallacy.
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:27 AM
 
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As far as I'm concerned, until it's born, it's not a human being, and not entitiled to the rights and privileges of one.
So, to clarify, you support legalized elective abortion at any stage of pregnancy, correct?
 
Old 06-28-2014, 12:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
Godwin's Law.
Took you long enough.
Godwin's Law is not a valid logical principle.

There is the Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy, but this fallacy does not state that any reference to Hitler is invalid.
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