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Old 06-14-2014, 08:51 PM
 
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In order to win a lawsuit, the Catholic hospital in Denver took the position that a fetus is not a person until it's born. Apparenty when money is on the line, the church isn't worried about much else. After they won their lawsuit, they reversed positions again and said that what they argued in court was "morally wrong." Talk about hypocrisy...


Catholic hospital: It was 'morally wrong' to argue fetus not a person - U.S. News
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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1. Their lawyer took that position, not them.
1. The position actually taken, was that under Colorado law, a fetus is not a person.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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1. Their lawyer took that position, not them.
1. The position actually taken, was that under Colorado law, a fetus is not a person.
That's not how it works. The lawyer argued his clients position. The client is the one who signs off on the substance of the argument. Lawyers don't get to argue whatever they want without their clients consent.

And yes, that is CO law and one would expect the Church to be first one to oppose that law instead of using it to their own benefit.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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That's not how it works. The lawyer argued his clients position. The client is the one who signs off on the substance of the argument. Lawyers don't get to argue whatever they want without their clients consent.
Lawyers are obligated to present the best defense possible and in this case the best legal argument is the fact that a fetus is not a person under CO law. To do otherwise is arguably malpractice.

In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people | The Colorado Independent

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And yes, that is CO law and one would expect the Church to be first one to oppose that law instead of using it to their own benefit.
The Church isn't the hospital nor is it CHI.
The church argued that a fetus was a person in a previous case.
A CO court threw out that argument.
This case was governed by the CO Wrongful Death Act.
As it stands, under CO law, a fetus is not a person.

If I hit and kill a dog, but get charged with murder, I fully expect an attorney to argue that dogs are not people under the law - even if I want them to be and think they are.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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Liberals should rejoice.
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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Lawyers are obligated to present the best defense possible and in this case the best legal argument is the fact that a fetus is not a person under CO law. To do otherwise is arguably malpractice.
No, sorry, lawyers are compelled to do what they are told by their client. They represent their client. They don't tell their clients what to do. There's no best legal argument, there's the argument you want your client to make. Best learn what you're talking about before you throw out things like this.

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Liberals should rejoice.
Why should liberals or conservatives rejoice? It's not like all conservatives in the world are against abortion and all liberals are for it.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:17 PM
 
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And yes, that is CO law and one would expect the Church to be first one to oppose that law instead of using it to their own benefit.
I sure wouldn't. I am related to a number of Catholic folk, they are fine people and dear to me.

The Catholic organization? Not so much.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:25 PM
 
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Lawyers are obligated to present the best defense possible and in this case the best legal argument is the fact that a fetus is not a person under CO law. To do otherwise is arguably malpractice.

In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people | The Colorado Independent



The Church isn't the hospital nor is it CHI.
The church argued that a fetus was a person in a previous case.
A CO court threw out that argument.
This case was governed by the CO Wrongful Death Act.
As it stands, under CO law, a fetus is not a person.

If I hit and kill a dog, but get charged with murder, I fully expect an attorney to argue that dogs are not people under the law - even if I want them to be and think they are.
100 percent right. the lawyer is responsible for the legal strategy and argument. Plus, it was the management company and not the hospital that made the argument, and it was probably the insurance company and not even the management company's lawyers.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:46 PM
 
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Abortion stops a learning brain.
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Old 06-15-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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Lol @ you people trying to defend the Catholic Church.

Their lawyer argued from the position they wanted him/her to argue from.

Blaming the lawyers is lame. The church is being hypocritical. Just admit it and move on.
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