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Old 06-15-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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??? Is "non-college graduate" a protected class? How about if all the underemployed college graduates in Portland get the city to subsidize college grads so that they can afford these houses and the high school crowd can't?
Could be.....prove you did not rent to a "non-college graduate".....just because they are black....or, gay.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Could be.....prove you did not rent to a "non-college graduate".....just because they are black....or, gay.

That should be easy...just make sure everyone you rent to is a college graduate and the percentage of blacks, women, and gays is equal to or greater than their respective percentages of the general population. Since it's pretty much okay for the private sector to shortchange white men this should work out just fine.
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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That should be easy...just make sure everyone you rent to is a college graduate and the percentage of blacks, women, and gays is equal to or greater than their respective percentages of the general population. Since it's pretty much okay for the private sector to shortchange white men this should work out just fine.
You haven't done much business on this level.....

You would lose your shirt.

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Old 06-15-2014, 09:00 AM
 
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Some many years ago, I made a proposal to the city of Sacramento who was looking for ridiculous amounts of money to build low coast housing for the bums of the city. Having just come back from a couple weeks during the winter in Southern Arizona where snowbird RV parks are everywhere, we'd learned about park model RV's and thought that was an idea for us for a second home. They are all about 400 sq ft, set on lots with usually a carport and sunroom and quite pleasant places to live for 1-2 people. And thousands of responsible and successful people have bought them for second homes to escape the winters from the north and east.

When I got home and saw the story in the paper, I thought of these and the excellent form of housing they offered for so little money for land and lot. These urban renewal types dismissed me as though I was from Mars. We can't put people in tin box trailers! There's no dignity in that!! Why provide excellent housing that thousands of people who pay their own way choose for winter homes to bums asking for freebies?

I simply shook my head over the mind of liberal think and left. I no longer give a good rip about the "homeless" or those who advocate for them. Solutions a simple, cost-effective, and allow for as much dignity as one has.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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A guy in Portland proposes a 25-unit development of 200-sf houses that he says can be built for $15.000 to $35,000 each and pencil out at monthly rents in the range of $250-$350 (which is less than the cost of renting a room and close to half the cost of a studio apartment). He notes this would be vastly cheaper than the 130 apartments the city recently built for homeless people at an average cost of about $250,000 per unit.

Of course, he needs some city code changes to make it happen, and of course NIMBYs everywhere in the city will come out of the woodwork to prevent that.
Build it, and they will come. Some people do not need a lot of space and see no need to waste a good chunk of the hours of their lives funding a McMansion.

I don't know why most people assume that only "bums" would live in small homes and that "normal people" always see bigger and bigger and bigger as better. Some of us look at housing logically: if you do not need the space, it's a waste of time and money funding it. For me personally, I see no reason for having anything over about 400 sq ft. So I don't. Simple. No need. And no desire to spend money on what amounts to "vaporware."

Any fears of small dwellings attracting undesirable elements can be addressed with HOA-style rules.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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Tiny houses.

Homelessness has nothing to do with the size of the house. It has nothing to do with the availability of a house. It has nothing to do with money, the lack of money, jobs or lack of jobs or anything like that.

It has to do with choices. Choices made long before the homeless became homeless.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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A guy in Portland proposes a 25-unit development of 200-sf houses that he says can be built for $15.000 to $35,000 each and pencil out at monthly rents in the range of $250-$350 (which is less than the cost of renting a room and close to half the cost of a studio apartment). He notes this would be vastly cheaper than the 130 apartments the city recently built for homeless people at an average cost of about $250,000 per unit.
Reality Fail.

People are homeless by choice. People choose to be homeless. Homelessness is a life-style that attracts certain types of people. These people think "hustling" is work. It's exciting for them: you never know who you will meet or what will happen and when you will get your next meal or 40 ounce or dime-bag, and this uncertainty --- a sort of "living on the edge" is a "high" all by itself.

Come round to Washington Park in Over-the-Rhine.

I'll introduce you to Chris and Chris....husband and wife....."homeless" (snicker) going on 10 years. He prostitutes her out for trick money to buy meth, beer, heroin or crack....they're both drunk all the time, and occasionally he gets mad and beats her up, so he ends up in lock-up for 30-90 days.....which is good, since I don't have to put up with his goat-smelling ass.

These people -- better than 90% --- are addicts, whether it is gambling or alcohol or drugs doesn't matter.

What you and people like you are too dense to grasp is that if their rent was $1/month, they would still be homeless, because they gamble, drink or drug that money away.

Even if their rent was free......they would let the dope-boys live in their home and use it as a base of operations to deal so they could get free drugs.

The other 10% of the homeless are mentally diseased and refuse to take their medication.

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Of course, he needs some city code changes to make it happen, and of course NIMBYs everywhere in the city will come out of the woodwork to prevent that.
Right, because it is every parent's dream that their children learn the drug mule and drug runner Skill-sets.

The only thing you need to do, is avail yourself of C-130s, air national guard air crews, surplus parachutes, a brown-bag lunch and $10.

If those people want to be homeless and drink and drug, they can do that in Libya.

In the old days, those people would be Darwin'd and we wouldn't have to suffer because of them.

Nothing like taking money from other people and showering it on totally useless turds, while ignoring people did everything society asked them to do, but are still struggling.

Yes, hampering success while rewarding failure is a win...
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Mircea
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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??? Is "non-college graduate" a protected class? How about if all the underemployed college graduates in Portland get the city to subsidize college grads so that they can afford these houses and the high school crowd can't?
There is no such thing as an 'underemployed college grad'. Everyone deserves whatever they are being paid. If a person thinks they deserve more money, they need to prove it to someone and be paid more money.

If a college grad can't prove they are worth more than minimum wage, then minimum wage is what they deserve. The term 'underemployment' is something made up by lazy people to justify not working harder to earn more.
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A guy in Portland proposes a 25-unit development of 200-sf houses that he says can be built for $15.000 to $35,000 each and pencil out at monthly rents in the range of $250-$350 (which is less than the cost of renting a room and close to half the cost of a studio apartment). He notes this would be vastly cheaper than the 130 apartments the city recently built for homeless people at an average cost of about $250,000 per unit.

Of course, he needs some city code changes to make it happen, and of course NIMBYs everywhere in the city will come out of the woodwork to prevent that.
There is already a thread on the very same subject. In fact you posted on it, why another one?
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Old 06-15-2014, 09:45 AM
 
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Tiny houses.

Homelessness has nothing to do with the size of the house. It has nothing to do with the availability of a house. It has nothing to do with money, the lack of money, jobs or lack of jobs or anything like that.

It has to do with choices. Choices made long before the homeless became homeless.
Exactly right.
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