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Old 06-22-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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BAd outcomes? Seriously?

The whole thing is bad.
Yes, its bad to have insurance for the first time in years and be able to afford to see your doctor whether or not that lump on your chest in cancerous or not.

Its bad to be able to stay on your parents insurance and then learn you need major invasive surgery even though you have been healthy your whole life.

Its bad to be able to become self employed or leave a job you don't like and have to worry about having health insurance.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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Yes, its bad to have insurance for the first time in years and be able to afford to see your doctor whether or not that lump on your chest in cancerous or not.

Its bad to be able to stay on your parents insurance and then learn you need major invasive surgery even though you have been healthy your whole life.

Its bad to be able to become self employed or leave a job you don't like and have to worry about having health insurance.
Yet you consider it moral to FORCE others to pay for it.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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Yes, its bad to have insurance for the first time in years and be able to afford to see your doctor whether or not that lump on your chest in cancerous or not.

Its bad to be able to stay on your parents insurance and then learn you need major invasive surgery even though you have been healthy your whole life.

Its bad to be able to become self employed or leave a job you don't like and have to worry about having health insurance.
It's bad for us to have lost our insurance due to obamacare and to no longer be able to afford insurance due to obamacare. We were self employed prior to obamacare and could afford our health insurance and we are still self employed post obamacare yet we can no longer afford health insurance.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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Yet you consider it moral to FORCE others to pay for it.
Who was paying for the uninsured individual showing up in the er or ending up in the icu?

Is it moral to let a mom with kids die because she cant afford radiation treatment for her cancer because she is uninsired.

How is it moral to deny medicaid expansion to the poorest of poor, allowing them some hope of medical care.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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Who was paying for the uninsured individual showing up in the er or ending up in the icu?

Is it moral to let a mom with kids die because she cant afford radiation treatment for her cancer because she is uninsired.

How is it moral to deny medicaid expansion to the poorest of poor, allowing them some hope of medical care.
Is it moral that although I once could afford health insurance I lose it? So much for me and my family if I should get cancer. It's more important to take care of the poor.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Our insurance went from $600 a month for the two of us for over $1,095 a month for the same plan. The plus side to this change is pre existing conditions. I am sure if calmer heads had tackled the issues we would not be paying almost twice the price. We tend to treat every problem in crisis mode and do not think things through. Many hard working middle class families are without any insurance at all and many seniors who are not old enough for Medicare, are having to go without insurance now or drain their retirement funds to pay for it.
Those of you who receive gov subsidies have a shock coming soon. If you think by allowing the mass immigration of poor people into this country will not take away from you....think again. There is not enough pie to go around the table.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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many seniors who are not old enough for Medicare, are having to go without insurance now or drain their retirement funds to pay for it.

These days it's hard to be considered a senior if you are younger than 65 years of age. No doubt some look and/or feel it though!
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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Yes, its bad to have insurance for the first time in years and be able to afford to see your doctor whether or not that lump on your chest in cancerous or not.

Its bad to be able to stay on your parents insurance and then learn you need major invasive surgery even though you have been healthy your whole life.

Its bad to be able to become self employed or leave a job you don't like and have to worry about having health insurance.
1 and 3 are usually covered under 1996 HIPAA laws with health care portability act.

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/fshipaa.html

So no, people could have left their jobs and be able to enroll in individual insurance even with pre existing conditions. That's the propaganda liberals made that "pre existing conditions" were a death sentence trying to get your own policy.

But guess what? Now those who especially under age 40 CAN leave their jobs and be self employed but get to pay 50% higher premiums (and or face double the deductible) than they would have pre ACA.

And most employers already left most responsible college attending young people stay on their parents plans usually up to age 25. And guess what, if that person was healthy their whole life, pre ACA the young person could have had major comprehensive health care HSA tax advantaged plans for around $100-150/month with only a $2500 max out of pocket in network deductible on their own without being on their parent's plans.

That same previously healthy young person now gets to buy that same policy for either twice the premiums under the ACA than before the ACA. Or they face paying twice the max out of pocket deductible.

So tell me again, how the ACA is good?
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Our insurance went from $600 a month for the two of us for over $1,095 a month for the same plan. The plus side to this change is pre existing conditions. I am sure if calmer heads had tackled the issues we would not be paying almost twice the price. We tend to treat every problem in crisis mode and do not think things through. Many hard working middle class families are without any insurance at all and many seniors who are not old enough for Medicare, are having to go without insurance now or drain their retirement funds to pay for it.
Those of you who receive gov subsidies have a shock coming soon. If you think by allowing the mass immigration of poor people into this country will not take away from you....think again. There is not enough pie to go around the table.
Question, when you mention your insurance? Are you paying for it yourself? Or is your employer paying for it? Or are you getting a subsidy?

You seem to have a level head if you are paying a 40% increase and fine with it since it's coming from your own pocket?
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Who was paying for the uninsured individual showing up in the er or ending up in the icu?

Is it moral to let a mom with kids die because she cant afford radiation treatment for her cancer because she is uninsired.

How is it moral to deny medicaid expansion to the poorest of poor, allowing them some hope of medical care.
soory,but this is so much crap. the poor are not being denied nor have they ever been turned away from getting care, even chemo. it is and has always been the middle class getting screwed. this is still the case. kids do not die here, the courts intercept those cases.
most who now get subsidized do not give a rip about those who are now out of insurance.
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