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Well, that's simply not true. We're not descending to oblivion, we're not continuing on this path, we won't hit the ground, and pretty much every sovereign nation has avoided this outcome.
It was pretty telling that when California's voters passed an series of anti-gerrymandering propositions, new laws which literally removed the power of the legislature to draw district boundries and instead forced a mathematical model to be used (compactness is prized most highly by the model)... The number of Dems elected in the state actually INCREASED while elected Republicans decreased. Sorry, but that's just not compatible with your claims.
The reality is when you have competitive districts the more moderate side almost always wins. Democrats, even in California, are extremely moderate and main stream, not the extremists you're trying to pretend they are, while the Republicans even in this state are very far out there away from the center. That's why even after the end of gerrymandering Republicans have continued to implode in this state while the number of Democrats elected has increased so much they now have a super majority. On the upside those few extremist dems lost to moderate dems so the end of gerrymandering has at least kept one party closer to the center even though the state Republican Party continues to refuse to do so (and thus loses virtually all elections).
Also there is the factor that many Californians w/ common sense have been moving out of the state (many to Texas), and under such conditions it is no surprise that the Democratic party in CA would thrive.
Bob, I've heard a lot about the changing demographics of Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia, but I haven't heard anything about South Carolina. What specifically is happening in SC to make you think that it's likely to shift in the near future? It still looks very crimson to me.
I think it will shift post Ga & NC, but it (SC) is experiencing the same attractiveness to young college grads neighboring states have experienced, as well as young couples as their first home region.Those two are socially moderate-liberal voters, for whom pro choice positions are crucial! They want sustained careers, not the 50s June Cleaver model.
Also, Obama took 44% in 2012 without making any effort there. I think, once Ga & NC shift (Va, IMO already has gone blue for good), the DNC will put more effort into Ga and nudge it blue.
1. Learn what the word cue means because I've been posting here for pages and you only recently got here.
You know nothing of when i started reading this forum. Another toad making assumptions that posting = joining.
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2. Why don't you tell use what you're actually talking about because so far your 'analysis' has been the gibberish of a 10 year old retarded child. You basically just named yet another group you want purged from the party, meaning the party would get even smaller, and you some how think that will result in winning more elections. Call them "democraps" all you want but they're at least intelligent enough not to chase voters out of the party; which is why the Democratic Party is a big tent party with conservative, moderate, and liberal wings while the Republican Party is a small tent party who has driven off everyone who isn't the furthest of far right.
I was about to ignore your post because of its typical uselessness, but had to laugh when I saw your hilarious claim that the democraps are a "big" tent party. How many conservative democrats are there? And remind us which party's president continues to try to increase the number of illegal aliens offering them handouts to increase voters for their party?
Also there is the factor that many Californians w/ common sense have been moving out of the state (many to Texas), and under such conditions it is no surprise that the Democratic party in CA would thrive.
That's wishful thinking. People are moving out of CA because of the cost of living, they could be communist lunatics or rational and sane, but they don't make enough money to stay.
How about national defense? Libertarians would apparently have our nation destroyed than go over budget to defend it.
If the reasons to sacrifice our son's and daughter's lives are so compelling as to commit the nation to war, then the reasons to pay for a proposed war in which their lives would be sacrificed must be equally compelling.
I think it will shift post Ga & NC, but it (SC) is experiencing the same attractiveness to young college grads neighboring states have experienced, as well as young couples as their first home region.Those two are socially moderate-liberal voters, for whom pro choice positions are crucial! They want sustained careers, not the 50s June Cleaver model.
Also, Obama took 44% in 2012 without making any effort there. I think, once Ga & NC shift (Va, IMO already has gone blue for good), the DNC will put more effort into Ga and nudge it blue.
NC has the same new demographics as SC. the repubs took control of the state legislature for the first time in 100 years in 2010.
SC gained 1 new seat in the House. NC almost got a new seat. I don't see SC changing.
That's not how gerrymandering works; the idea is to make districts that are either slightly favorable (55%?) or really unfavorable (90%) democrat. That's how you pack your party into the legislature.
I think the problem is that this represents the entirety of the tea party movement's platform. It has no answers, just a list of things to hate.
Debt cliffs only exist for countries that do not control their own currency.
"]That's not how gerrymandering works; the idea is to make districts that are either slightly favorable (55%?) or really unfavorable (90%) democrat. That's how you pack your party into the legislature."
HuH? THAT is EXACTLY what the dems did for 40 years. That is why it took the repubs so long to regain control of the house.
Ok, list all the examples of countries that fell into a debt crisis while having a sovereign currency and no supply crisis, so we can move the discussion forward.
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"That's not how gerrymandering works; the idea is to make districts that are either slightly favorable (55%?) or really unfavorable (90%) democrat. That's how you pack your party into the legislature."
HuH? THAT is EXACTLY what the dems did for 40 years. That is why it took the repubs so long to regain control of the house.
I'm just explaining how gerrymandering works, man. 90% Democratic districts help the Republicans, not the Democrats.
Do you oppose crony capitalism, the looting of our US Treasury by politicians in the US Congress to give millions, and even billions to their political friends, to crony corporations and their crony Wall Street fat cats and bankers?
Do you oppose them adding to our national debt by borrowing trillions of dollars to engage in even more cronyism, vote buying and influence peddling, thru pork barrel projects with bridges to nowhere?
Do you oppose the NSA spying on us, gathering meta data on every phone call you make, every web site you visit, every internet purchase you make, and every email or tweet you send?
Do you oppose government waste, fraud and abuse of power?
Do you oppose allowing the military to indefinitely detain American citizens,without charge or trial, on mere suspicions of supporting terrorism?
If you said yes to any of the above, then you just agreed with portions of the TEA party movement's platform.
All good talking points in 2010 when there were a lot of angry and frightened folks.
Once some teabaggers actually were elected, they were just as quick to reap the goodies as the established Republicans and Democrats were.
Being a Member of Congress is fat, cushy job that pays well, and has an incredibly good retirement program. The only hard part to it only happens once every 2 years. And political purity only has to be claimed once. It's optional forever afterward.
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