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This has been gone over countless times. The New Testament clearly condemns homosexual behavior. If you eliminate all of the words of the Bible except for Jesus's words you will have a very small book. Jesus did not say that adultery is wrong in the Bible, but when he saved the woman caught in adultery from stoning He said: "Go and sin no more". Just because Jesus personaly doesn't list, specify and address each sin doesn't mean they are not sins. Homosexual behavior is an abomination to God.
Nonsense.
You're just goal post moving.
If the New Testament doesn't DIRECTLY address homosexuality in a verse, then Jesus never addressed it.
Again, you Christians have said repeatedly that Old Testament law doesn't apply to Christians. You can't flip it when it becomes convenient.
There are no words to open your mind if you believe Israel's neighbors have even a modicum of the human rights standards found in the democracy of Israel.
I don't believe they do. I'm saying that a self respecting liberal democracy shouldn't be given a pass on human rights. They should be held at a higher standard and dismissing their transgressions because they are "better than their neighborhors," is making excuses.
I don't believe they do. I'm saying that a self respecting liberal democracy shouldn't be given a pass on human rights. They should be held at a higher standard and dismissing their transgressions because they are "better than their neighborhors," is making excuses.
So just to be clear, let's put this in perspective.
On the one hand you have one country, Israel, where most Western people would agree with ~ 80-90% of the country's policies. Meanwhile the "negative" actions affect maybe 3 million people in a fairly benign way (I.E. Palestinians aren't decapitated for voting the wrong way). On the other hand, you have over a dozen countries who are completely unstable, have repressive dictatorships, persecute gays, women, non-Muslims, etc. and this affects well over 750,000 million people. Now, if I wanted to make the most change in the world, which one do you think would be the better country to be criticizing and "divesting" from?
Do you know why Hitler concentrated most of his efforts of the Holocaust on Poland? Because that's where the Jews were. You don't spend all your efforts on small objectives when there is riper fruit to be had.
So just to be clear, let's put this in perspective.
On the one hand you have one country, Israel, where most Western people would agree with ~ 80-90% of the country's policies. Meanwhile the "negative" actions affect maybe 3 million people in a fairly benign way (I.E. Palestinians aren't decapitated for voting the wrong way). On the other hand, you have over a dozen countries who are completely unstable, have repressive dictatorships, persecute gays, women, non-Muslims, etc. and this affects well over 750,000 million people. Now, if I wanted to make the most change in the world, which one do you think would be the better country to be criticizing and "divesting" from?
Do you know why Hitler concentrated most of his efforts of the Holocaust on Poland? Because that's where the Jews were. You don't spend all your efforts on small objectives when there is riper fruit to be had.
No one reads the linked article around here. They are divesting from Three companies here in the US. Not divesting from Israel.
Doing so creates a buzz and sheds light on an issue.
No one is given those other countries a pass on their human rights violations. Israels gets pointed out because they hold themselves up as a beacon of democracy in the region. The current government has stayed in power by pandering to religious extremists within Israel and promoting policies that ensure instability.
The companies they are divesting from are Hewlett Packard, Caterpiller and Motorola.
Caterpiller supplies products to Israel which are used to knock down the homes of Palestinians, HP provides technology to Israel needed to enforce the naval blockade of Gaza and Motorola manufactures the body scanners and surveillance used in illegal Israeli settlements.
Many Jewish people, including a Rabbi which was interviewed on DemocracyNow!, are VERY supportive of these decisions.
So just to be clear, let's put this in perspective.
On the one hand you have one country, Israel, where most Western people would agree with ~ 80-90% of the country's policies. Meanwhile the "negative" actions affect maybe 3 million people in a fairly benign way (I.E. Palestinians aren't decapitated for voting the wrong way). On the other hand, you have over a dozen countries who are completely unstable, have repressive dictatorships, persecute gays, women, non-Muslims, etc. and this affects well over 750,000 million people. Now, if I wanted to make the most change in the world, which one do you think would be the better country to be criticizing and "divesting" from?
Do you know why Hitler concentrated most of his efforts of the Holocaust on Poland? Because that's where the Jews were. You don't spend all your efforts on small objectives when there is riper fruit to be had.
Don't forget Muslims are also safe in Israel to practice their religion. In other parts of the Middle East, Muslims slaughter other Muslims over religious disagreements to a greater degree than they murder Jews, Christians, homosexuals, etc combined. People tend to forget that.
No one reads the linked article around here. They are divesting from Three companies here in the US. Not divesting from Israel.
Doing so creates a buzz and sheds light on an issue.
No one is given those other countries a pass on their human rights violations. Israels gets pointed out because they hold themselves up as a beacon of democracy in the region. The current government has stayed in power by pandering to religious extremists within Israel and promoting policies that ensure instability.
What's that have to do with my point? Why not "divest" from any companies that buy oil from Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.?
Yet there are some Gulf rich Arab countries where it is safe for Christians to live in and churches do exist such as Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and United Arab Emerates. Infact there was a time when there were barely any Christians and that was before the oil boom. In addition no churches existed there. But today Churches exist in Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait and United Arab Emerates.
A handful of manufactured items is no match for the reality that christians and minorities overall are being wholly murdered or expelled from the mideast. Any poster that whines about jews allegedly ethnically cleansing arab muslims out of israel BETTER have an answer for this:
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