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Ho-hum. Same old same old. The media is in the tank for Obama because they won't investigate this non-scandal. Of course, Fox and rightwing talk radio (aka the media) continue to run around like their hair is on fire over this non-scandal, so your contention that the media isn't covering it is untrue. Just that most non-far rightwing media has seen it for the non-scandal it is and have moved on.
It's just this kind of attitude that will mean when the tables are turned, it will be okay for the "other side" to turn away and claim "phony" scandal.
It's just this kind of attitude that will mean when the tables are turned, it will be okay for the "other side" to turn away and claim "phony" scandal.
Good job. You must be proud.
I believe most of the media has made the right choice by recognizing this for the non-issue that it is and have therefore moved on. Pride doesn't enter into it.
I believe most of the media has made the right choice by recognizing this for the non-issue that it is and have therefore moved on. Pride doesn't enter into it.
The administration has been stonewalling on this. Evident from the trickle of evidence. The media has also called this administration the most secretive in a long time. Still, most of the media won't bother to investigate, if it requires much effort, when it's anything other than a Repub administration. Especially when it's an administration they helped get in office.
Ho-hum. Same old same old. The media is in the tank for Obama because they won't investigate this non-scandal. Of course, Fox and rightwing talk radio (aka the media) continue to run around like their hair is on fire over this non-scandal, so your contention that the media isn't covering it is untrue. Just that most non-far rightwing media has seen it for the non-scandal it is and have moved on.
According to Gallup, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GHWBush, Clinton and W. Bush all had approval ratings below 38% at one time or another (W Bush wins the contest with a paltry 25% in October of 2008), so President Obama is doing okay in the regard.
Why don't you address facts instead of repeating talking points designed to rally the mis-informed and low IQ groups?
Answer these questions:
Questions:
#1 Lois Lerner said "[E]verybody is screaming at us right now 'Fix it now before the election. Can't you see how much these people are spending?" Who was screaming at her and what actions did she take to "fix it?"
#2 Lois Lerner blamed the targeting on line level people in Cincinnati, how can she then explain the following:
A) The line level people in Cincinnati had documentation that DC had asked for the targeting
B) Line level people in Cincinnati do not have control over other IRS branches, yet targeting happened at IRS branches literally from coast to coast
C) An IRS attorney has stated that the targeting came from an Obama appointee in DC
#3 After the story broke, Lois Lerner in an email said the "Tea Party matter is Dangerous" and asked if "the FEC could save the day." Why is this targeting coming to light so dangerous and why did you want the FEC to help you?
#4 Lois Lerner said that the targeting and questions asked were wrong, apologized, and had stopped. So why did her very office continue sending inappropriate questions targeting and auditing conservative groups with her name on the letters AFTER she admitted it was wrong?
#5 Of the groups flagged for using conservative sounding words, 83% were conservative. Of those groups flagged 100% of the groups actually targeted with an audit were conservative and all of these groups were asked inappropriate questions. How is it that only conservative groups were audited with this program?
#6 Who at the IRS illegally leaked confidential IRS data of conservatives to left-leaning media? When did you find out about it and what have you done to stop it from happening again?
#7 Why did Lois Lerner against regulations improperly contact the FEC directly about conservative groups?
#8 Why were IRS employees breaking the rules by campaigning for Obama on the job to citizens dealing with the IRS? What steps have you taken to prevent this from happening again?
#9 Why did the IRS not admit that Lois Lerner had a cell phone when asked and then admitted that she did in fact have a cell phone that was swiped clean of data AFTER the investigation happened?
#10 What are the odds that everyone under investigation for targeting conservatives, 12 IRS employees and 1 FEC employee all had their data lost in a series of hard drive crashes?
#11 Why did the IRS break the law when it failed to inform the National Archives and Records Administration that Lerner's emails were lost? Normally the IRS follows this law. Is this really a coincidence that they didn't follow the law in a manner that would impede the investigation?
#12 Why were 3 IRS IT Asset Managers who would have been responsible for handling the destruction of the hard drive shuffled out of positions at the time of the investigation heating up, which had not happened prior and has stifled the investigation?
#13 The destruction of the hard drive would have legally required formal documentation. The IRS has as of yet not released the formal documentation. Why do they not have the formal documentation or why have they refused to release the formal documentation?
#14 Why is it that Obama's DOJ's investigation had been investigating for over a year, but only found out about the missing evidence (emails) through the media - what kind of investigation are they running?
#15 Why was Lerner conducting a "secret research report" (her own words) on people who donate to non-profit groups that contained 5% liberal groups and 75% conservative groups?
Just be honest, you are fine with government corruption, so long as your side is benefiting from it. You prefer a Banana Republic.
Hopefully, blues juke will deign itself to address these excellent and revealing questions. I will not hold my breath.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
Why don't you address facts instead of repeating talking points designed to rally the mis-informed and low IQ groups?
Answer these questions:
Questions:
#1 Lois Lerner said "[E]verybody is screaming at us right now 'Fix it now before the election. Can't you see how much these people are spending?" Who was screaming at her and what actions did she take to "fix it?"
#2 Lois Lerner blamed the targeting on line level people in Cincinnati, how can she then explain the following:
A) The line level people in Cincinnati had documentation that DC had asked for the targeting
B) Line level people in Cincinnati do not have control over other IRS branches, yet targeting happened at IRS branches literally from coast to coast
C) An IRS attorney has stated that the targeting came from an Obama appointee in DC
#3 After the story broke, Lois Lerner in an email said the "Tea Party matter is Dangerous" and asked if "the FEC could save the day." Why is this targeting coming to light so dangerous and why did you want the FEC to help you?
#4 Lois Lerner said that the targeting and questions asked were wrong, apologized, and had stopped. So why did her very office continue sending inappropriate questions targeting and auditing conservative groups with her name on the letters AFTER she admitted it was wrong?
#5 Of the groups flagged for using conservative sounding words, 83% were conservative. Of those groups flagged 100% of the groups actually targeted with an audit were conservative and all of these groups were asked inappropriate questions. How is it that only conservative groups were audited with this program?
#6 Who at the IRS illegally leaked confidential IRS data of conservatives to left-leaning media? When did you find out about it and what have you done to stop it from happening again?
#7 Why did Lois Lerner against regulations improperly contact the FEC directly about conservative groups?
#8 Why were IRS employees breaking the rules by campaigning for Obama on the job to citizens dealing with the IRS? What steps have you taken to prevent this from happening again?
#9 Why did the IRS not admit that Lois Lerner had a cell phone when asked and then admitted that she did in fact have a cell phone that was swiped clean of data AFTER the investigation happened?
#10 What are the odds that everyone under investigation for targeting conservatives, 12 IRS employees and 1 FEC employee all had their data lost in a series of hard drive crashes?
#11 Why did the IRS break the law when it failed to inform the National Archives and Records Administration that Lerner's emails were lost? Normally the IRS follows this law. Is this really a coincidence that they didn't follow the law in a manner that would impede the investigation?
#12 Why were 3 IRS IT Asset Managers who would have been responsible for handling the destruction of the hard drive shuffled out of positions at the time of the investigation heating up, which had not happened prior and has stifled the investigation?
#13 The destruction of the hard drive would have legally required formal documentation. The IRS has as of yet not released the formal documentation. Why do they not have the formal documentation or why have they refused to release the formal documentation?
#14 Why is it that Obama's DOJ's investigation had been investigating for over a year, but only found out about the missing evidence (emails) through the media - what kind of investigation are they running?
#15 Why was Lerner conducting a "secret research report" (her own words) on people who donate to non-profit groups that contained 5% liberal groups and 75% conservative groups?
Just be honest, you are fine with government corruption, so long as your side is benefiting from it. You prefer a Banana Republic.
I believe most of the media has made the right choice by recognizing this for the non-issue that it is and have therefore moved on. Pride doesn't enter into it.
The point is that you and other Obama/(D) apologists would be more upset if the shoe were on the other foot. Cummings would not have been screaming bloody murder to stop the investigations, he would be demanding they proceed. Sure enough now that more is coming out, it is being spun and deflected to try to minimize the damage.
I picture you like a sports fan who sees that his team got away with something, but tries to justify it by saying it all evens out eventually. Yet you would not feel that way at the time the opposing team got away with something.
Just the fact that all these attempts to erase emails/info should have you realizing that the IRS employees involved believed they were doing something wrong. Even Learner's inquiries whether certain things created an info trail, and then expressing relief that it didn't should tell you something. Heck some political talking heads that are (D's) are even saying it looks like a cover-up/CYA situation going on. If (D) partisans can see it, why can't people like you?
Don't forget, it was not the actual Watergate break in that caused Nixon to resign, it was the attempted cover-up that was his undoing.
The point is that you and other Obama/(D) apologists would be more upset if the shoe were on the other foot. Cummings would not have been screaming bloody murder to stop the investigations, he would be demanding they proceed. Sure enough now that more is coming out, it is being spun and deflected to try to minimize the damage.
I picture you like a sports fan who sees that his team got away with something, but tries to justify it by saying it all evens out eventually. Yet you would not feel that way at the time the opposing team got away with something.
Just the fact that all these attempts to erase emails/info should have you realizing that the IRS employees involved believed they were doing something wrong. Even Learner's inquiries whether certain things created an info trail, and then expressing relief that it didn't should tell you something. Heck some political talking heads that are (D's) are even saying it looks like a cover-up/CYA situation going on. If (D) partisans can see it, why can't people like you?
Don't forget, it was not the actual Watergate break in that caused Nixon to resign, it was the attempted cover-up that was his undoing.
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Remember, Elijah Cummings is most likely in on this. He had claimed that he and his staff had ZERO contact with the IRS in regards to targeting conservatives after he was point blank asked to verify rumors that he had requested IRS actions on a conservative group.
Then emails were released showing that he lied and that Cummings had in fact emailed the IRS and inquired about the legitimacy of a conservative group. He asked the IRS to get him all of their training manuals, teaching materials, how they work in the field, who works and volunteers for them, etc...and the IRS then requested the info. Lerner emailed people doing the digging if they had "found anything" and to check again.
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