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Christine, it's very Glen Beck of you to try to portray the entire group of people you disagree with as crackpots and whackos.
I was responding to someone who believes that an ongoing conspiracy exists. I made that post to him and not the majority of reasoned, thinking people; you were left out, I trust you aren't claiming membership in a doom bunker society.
If you look at all of the OP's posts, they are done in a taunting fashion. She/He is trying to stir up conversations simply for the sake of winning the $500 while belittling the politically opposed individuals here on C/D.
Oh I forgot, should I be graced with the winnings, I pledge to spend it on your GED, it's what caring progressives do.
Who said that RTBA is anachronistic? First, I would argue that 200 years is not that long time, in the history of civilized nations. Their legal frameworks, their cultures, their attitudes have been formed for over 1000 years.
Yet, if you want to talk for 100 arbitrary years, we can. I actually spent two years in high-school in Romania during their Socialist days. I got immersed into that culture, education, and life, and I made some great friends. Several of my high-school friends, while later in college, participated in the Romanian Revolution which overthrew Socialism by force and blood. That was only 24 years ago.
One got murdered by the Tyrannical regime opening fire on the demonstrators. Regime also used tanks to fight their unarmed enemies - students and other regular folks with "kids and mortgage". Later, Revolution caught up with the Socialist Leader, Ceausescu and executed him.
Romania was not the only country that a tyrannical regime used arms, against an unarmed populace. In Romania students succeeded in overthrowing Socialism. In China, they didn't.
Recent history is filled with cases. I won't even go back 60 years, let alone 100 years.
First, RTBA is a legal reality in our Constitutional system. Secondly, you cannot tell me that it will never be necessary. History has proven otherwise.
First, naivite is not born out of life experiences, and study of history. In fact, it is born of the opposite -- blindness to the realities, and ignorance of history.
Large body? The only way for you to put some credibility into this statement is to reference UNBIASED sources.
But, even if it was true -- isn't intelligence and rationality on guns fully dependent on point of view?
Even more, who says that a "large body" of intelligent and so-called rational people cannot be wrong?
If there was a majority for gun control, which there aren't, who says that majority is intelligent and right, and the dissenters are wrong?
Lastly, we are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. Many things are not up for vote. Constitution is not up for vote everytime.
There is a process to change it -- constitutional amendments -- which is how a civil society should operate.
Based on your history in this thread, I knew the inevitable multi-quote nightmare was coming, but just to clear things up, such posts are stupid and imply that you're trying to maintain an indefensible position via flailing around in an array of schizophrenic asides and tangents.
If you can't summarize your position in a succinct and flowing manner that makes sense, I have no interest whatsoever discussing anything in that idiotic 'multiquote' fashion in the same way I don't care to try and have a discussion with the bearded kook in the park screaming at the squirrels.
So, the above disjointed mess of digressions and illogica:
Your experiences in Romania are as relevant as mine in Africa. The case for gun rights is hugely anachronistic if the only context you can provide is 200 years ago, or somewhere in the developing world and/or the chaos that ensued immediately post iron curtain. I realize that those things seem like compelling anecdotes to you-and we're all entitled to choose what persuades us- but by more rational and measured standards, they are not compelling enough to justify 'what we have' in terms of the gun situation in the USA.
As far as 'large body of people' and UNBIASED SOURCES!!, you have the internet. I don't need to lead you down this garden path, do I? Right or wrong, the American public is pretty clear on a few things. You don't have to like them but if your choice is to only hear what comes from the Fox News echo chamber, you're just as misguided and misinformed as those on the left with MSNBC.
We both totally agree that the Constitution isn't up for a vote, but then again, you're the one who implied it's the amendment that 'defends the others', then immediately backed off that and reverted to 'civil governance' once someone called bull**** on that uniquely impotent brand of sabre rattling that comes from the gun camp cheap and easy on the internet, but a loser in a discussion about actually effecting real world change.
THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTS FREEDOM!
Then where has it been for all these laws that have been passed to undermine freedom?
Uh, well, uh...THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS FOR ALL THAT STUFF! THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN SO THE PEOPLE COULD HAVE GUNS IN CASE THE GOVERNMENT EVER CAME FOR THEIR GUNS!!
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Have you checked your mattress for listening devices? You might be under surveillance!
Seriously though,
What happened with Glen Becks discovery of FEMA death camps?
Where is the army of Obama operatives going door to door to take weapons?
Have you been audited by the IRS as part of a dirty tricks campaign?
Has the UN taken over control of your city yet?
Have you seen military vehicles on the roads in preparation for a coup?
Has anyone ever been a victim of fluoridation?
Do you have a communist political officer approving your travel from one town to the next?
Do you have to show papers to enter a market?
Just a few of the many questions no one seems to ask...
Is this an absence in your eyes?
A lot of your questions will be answered within a generation.
As far as the UN taking over your city...It has already started through Agenda 21.
Oh I forgot, should I be graced with the winnings, I pledge to spend it on your GED, it's what caring progressives do.
Sadly, another assumption as to who your audience is.
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