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Old 07-08-2014, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Should we characterize that all left-wingers want no laws preventing elective third trimester abortions?
No, you should support a woman being able to carry a fetus to term or not as she sees fit. That's what you should do.
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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Should we characterize that all left-wingers want no laws preventing elective third trimester abortions?
From reading the posts on this thread it would appear that is a correct assumption.
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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No, you should support a woman being able to carry a fetus to term or not as she sees fit. That's what you should do.
Now, if the baby was born premature and the mother decides she doesn't want it, should it be legal for her to smoother that baby? If not, why not? What is the difference between a baby being born in a week and a baby born a week premature?
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Old 07-08-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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Yes they can. Like I said, they can eject any number of chemicals into the baby to put the baby in cardiac arrest and then induce labor.

Is it illegal? Yes. Was this thread started to discuss abortion laws? No. It was started to discuss views on abortion.
I guess I fail to see the difference between a 2 month fetus and a 9 month one. But I guess liberals have found some kind of morality under some rock somewhere. I guess it clears their conscience for the millions of abortions that have been performed that they actually have "rules"

What hypocrisy.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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I guess I fail to see the difference between a 2 month fetus and a 9 month one. But I guess liberals have found some kind of morality under some rock somewhere. I guess it clears their conscience for the millions of abortions that have been performed that they actually have "rules"

What hypocrisy.
How is it hypocritical to support limits on the highly controversial, yet constitutional practice that is today's abortion?
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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How is it hypocritical to support limits on the highly controversial, yet constitutional practice that is today's abortion?
I'm sorry, I just don't understand the hypocrisy. Either you're for abortion or not, why say no to killing a 9 month fetus but having open season on a 2 month old one? They are both human beings, one is less developed is all. Is it because the woman with the 9 month old fetus is showing? What is this nonsense double standard?

Who get's to decide?
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:19 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I just don't understand the hypocrisy. Either you're for abortion or not, why say no to killing a 9 month fetus but having open season on a 2 month old one? They are both human beings, one is less developed is all. Is it because the woman with the 9 month old fetus is showing? What is this nonsense double standard?

Who get's to decide?
The 9 month old lady is full term and viable, the 2 month lady isn't. Unless you are about to fork out money and an incubation chamber for the 2 month old fetus you can't force anyone to risk poverty and death for your belief system.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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The 9 month old lady is full term and viable, the 2 month lady isn't. Unless you are about to fork out money and an incubation chamber for the 2 month old fetus you can't force anyone to risk poverty and death for your belief system.
So that's what you base this wacky value system on? Because the fetus can survive without the mother?

Why don't you leave a newborn baby out in the cold on it's own and see how long it survives without it's mother.

That is, if she doesn't just kill it first.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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I guess I fail to see the difference between a 2 month fetus and a 9 month one. But I guess liberals have found some kind of morality under some rock somewhere. I guess it clears their conscience for the millions of abortions that have been performed that they actually have "rules"

What hypocrisy.
Some people do not see a difference between a blastocyst and a fetus at nine months.

You won't change the mind of someone who views a zygote as a human, because they see terminating a zygote the same as killing a baby.

Some people do not see a difference between a fetus that is about to be born and a finger nail.

You won't change the mind of someone who views a fetus as just a clump of cells until the "birth process" regardless of how developed it is, because they don't see it as a baby.

The majority of people fall in between and feel that it becomes a baby, a human, somewhere in the process between egg and birth.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I just don't understand the hypocrisy. Either you're for abortion or not, why say no to killing a 9 month fetus but having open season on a 2 month old one? They are both human beings, one is less developed is all. Is it because the woman with the 9 month old fetus is showing? What is this nonsense double standard?

Who get's to decide?
I'm not so maximalist in my support for a woman's right to choose in that I agree with the limits set in place by the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. There very much is a middle ground in this debate, for no expert consensus on when a fetus is sufficiently human exists. This BBC article supports this with the following statement:

Unfortunately there's no agreement in medicine, philosophy or theology as to what stage of foetal development should be associated with the right to life.
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