***Crisis at the Border*** (Mexicans, illegal aliens, Obama, March)

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

They are currently pushing the refugees seeking asylum meme and that will lead to them able to stay here.

The Senate passed bill does create the new W-Visa for just that purpose.

Only some and no Mexicans. And the trick to stopping it would be quick resolution of the cases which is being opposed in the Congress. So we will just let it get worse.

The good news is that the flow of children appears to be slowing down.

[juneaubound]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Note that those crossing illegally have no real chance to ever get in to the US legally. We do not grant visas to low socioeconomic class people. Just a fact of life. YOu need a skill, or resources or family in the US to get on the list.

1. Why should THEIR problem (low, socioeconomic, skill-less) become OUR problem? Why??

2. How many unskilled, poor, uneducated people (whose criminal and medical backgrounds we know nothing about) do you think should be allowed into this country? 12 million? 20 million? 50 million? All of them? How many? And when you throw out that pulled-out-of-the-air number, please tell me how the United States will stop illegal immigration beyond that number.

Legal immigrants are background checked and receive physicals. They have to prove where they've lived and where they've worked for the past 10 years. They have to prove their educational background and their professional background. They have to prove their financial resources. All of this to PROVE that they:

a) will not be bringing their criminal history with them into their new country
b) will not be bringing any communicable diseases into their new country
c) have enough financial resources and professional skills that they will not become a financial burden to their new country

Any country that does not have either the capacity nor the political will to secure its own borders is not a secure nation.

Any country that does not adhere to the orderly immigration of aliens (the foreign kind - not the outer space kind ) compromises the safety and security of its citizens.

There is NOTHING wrong with the citizens in this country expecting an orderly legal immigration process to ensure that those who move here will be contributing, needed, welcomed, integrated residents of the United States.

There is NOTHING wrong with the citizens of this country expecting that our president (and his agents withn all the alphabet agencies we have) will "faithfully uphold the Consitituon of the United States" and will ensure our physical safety and national security as the highest priorities.

[KUchief25]

Originally Posted by juneaubound

THIS legal immigrant (now American citizen) is pissed. Those who are still waiting for the next step(s) in their legal process should be pissed as well. It takes years, lots of money, and lots of hoops to jump through to get here legally. Too late for me, but maybe these folks who are stuck in red-tape-limbo should just fly to the border and walk across.

I would be so mad if I were in your shoes watching these folks just run. Start shooting em and things will change. lol..............of course that will never be done.

[KUchief25]

Originally Posted by juneaubound

1. Why should THEIR problem (low, socioeconomic, skill-less) become OUR problem? Why??

You didn't need to go past point one. I want an answer to that question you posed but nobody will ever answer. Then turn around and say why is "their" problem in say Iraq ours. Just jokers who have no sense.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Only some and no Mexicans. And the trick to stopping it would be quick resolution of the cases which is being opposed in the Congress. So we will just let it get worse.

The good news is that the flow of children appears to be slowing down.

Pelosi has publicly said that Mexicans should be included and opposes any changes to the 2008 law to speed up deportations.



Pelosi opposes change that would make deporting children easier - LA Times

[juneaubound]

Originally Posted by KUchief25

You didn't need to go past point one. I want an answer to that question you posed but nobody will ever answer. Then turn around and say why is "their" problem in say Iraq ours. Just jokers who have no sense.

That's a fair question to discuss. In another thread about our role in Iraq. But that deflection wouldn't be a fair response to the question I posed as it relates to illegal immigration. It's a legitimate question.

[KUchief25]

Originally Posted by juneaubound

That's a fair question to discuss. In another thread about our role in Iraq. But that deflection wouldn't be a fair response to the question I posed as it relates to illegal immigration. It's a legitimate question.

I agree. Didn't mean to turn things around or try to either. Roll on............

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by juneaubound

1. Why should THEIR problem (low, socioeconomic, skill-less) become OUR problem? Why??

2. How many unskilled, poor, uneducated people (whose criminal and medical backgrounds we know nothing about) do you think should be allowed into this country? 12 million? 20 million? 50 million? All of them? How many? And when you throw out that pulled-out-of-the-air number, please tell me how the United States will stop illegal immigration beyond that number.

Legal immigrants are background checked and receive physicals. They have to prove where they've lived and where they've worked for the past 10 years. They have to prove their educational background and their professional background. They have to prove their financial resources. All of this to PROVE that they:

a) will not be bringing their criminal history with them into their new country
b) will not be bringing any communicable diseases into their new country
c) have enough financial resources and professional skills that they will not become a financial burden to their new country

Any country that does not have either the capacity nor the political will to secure its own borders is not a secure nation.

Any country that does not adhere to the orderly immigration of aliens (the foreign kind - not the outer space kind ) compromises the safety and security of its citizens.

There is NOTHING wrong with the citizens in this country expecting an orderly legal immigration process to ensure that those who move here will be contributing, needed, welcomed, integrated residents of the United States.

There is NOTHING wrong with the citizens of this country expecting that our president (and his agents withn all the alphabet agencies we have) will "faithfully uphold the Consitituon of the United States" and will ensure our physical safety and national security as the highest priorities.

Another strawman argument. I simply observed that the illegals in general do not have an option to legally immigrate.

You then go off on a pointless tangent that not letting illegals in is a good thing.

Under some circumstances at least Europe in fact disproves your thesis.

The upholding of the immigrant laws is another red herring. The Executive is bound to execute the laws of the US within the bounds of practicality. If there ain't no money there is no requirement to execute the law and even if there is the Executive may show discretion if circumstances warrant it. The congress can override that but seldom do.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Pelosi has publicly said that Mexicans should be included and opposes any changes to the 2008 law to speed up deportations.



Pelosi opposes change that would make deporting children easier - LA Times

Pelosi is now the Supreme Court? Why should you or I care? If she has the votes she can change the law. Otherwise we follow the existing law or any changes made to it.

I believe the Presidents view is that the deportations can be vastly speeded up under existing law if properly funded. If not funded it will take a couple of years.

[Hyperthetic]

Would we be better off with Muslims pouring in?