U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-09-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
4,853 posts, read 3,633,934 times
Reputation: 3917

Advertisements

Ok so there's this progressive that has been very active on the site, and he got me started researching the Progressive Political Party, and since I'm not affiliated with any party, I like to read up. Here's what the Progressive Democrats of America say that they are in their own words:

We seek to build a party and government controlled by citizens, not corporate elites-with policies that serve the broad public interest, not just private interests. As a grassroots PAC operating inside the Democratic Party, and outside in movements for peace and justice, PDA played a key role in the stunning electoral victories of November 2006 and 2008. Our inside/outside strategy is guided by the belief that a lasting majority will require a revitalized Democratic Party built on firm progressive principles.

For over two decades, the party declined as its leadership listened more to the voices of corporations than those of Americans. PDA strives to rebuild the Democratic Party from the bottom up-from every congressional district to statewide party structures to the corridors of power in Washington, where we work arm in arm with the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In just a couple of years PDA and its allies have shaken up the political status-quo on issues from ending the Iraq war, voter rights, protecting Social Security, a full employment economy, national healthcare and economic justice.

So I started to take this all in and I have some questions for you progressive dems out there:

1) Ok, so hypothetically let's say you win. Clean Sweep, every level, City, State, National, every seat. 100% control, what would a government controlled by citizens look like?

2) What is peace to you? Does this include other nations or just ours? How would you accomplish peace in such countries as Dafur?

3) What is justice in the terms of your mission statement mean?

4) Are your goals to destroy the Democratic party or to absorb it somehow? What's the game plan to do so?

If you could help clear those up I'd appreciate it.

Also, with 100% control, how would you employ 100% of America, while at the same time dissolving corporations and monopolies?

Do you support free health care like Canada and England or Obama's healthcare, or a hybrid? How would you accomplish this without corporations involved? (Like Hospitals/Big Pharma)

Do you feel that by ridding the world of gasoline (big oil) and the corporate entities that control the oil (Exxon, BP, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc) that this will solve global warming?

I appreciate all the help with answering these questions for me. Thanks in advance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-09-2014, 02:00 PM
 
77,954 posts, read 33,252,383 times
Reputation: 15582
This is what candidate Obama claimed. He lied. They were bamboozled. Will a candidate that will live up to his word be chosen? I haven't seen one yet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Stasis
15,839 posts, read 9,997,106 times
Reputation: 8545
You appear to be referring to mayday.us. https://mayday.us/
The aim is to end government crony capitalism and make politicians more accountable to voters and less to corporate lobbyists and donors. Much of our legislation is written by lobbyists who use their paid politicians as front men.

Quote:
Also, with 100% control, how would you employ 100% of America, while at the same time dissolving corporations and monopolies?
You are way off base. Who is proposing that?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 02:21 PM
 
7,846 posts, read 5,267,655 times
Reputation: 4025
Thanks for the well thought out OP. I will try my best.

I'm a left-libertarian.. I vote Democrat but I'm not a card carrying Dem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
So I started to take this all in and I have some questions for you progressive dems out there:

1) Ok, so hypothetically let's say you win. Clean Sweep, every level, City, State, National, every seat. 100% control, what would a government controlled by citizens look like?
Multiple parties. More legislation placed on general ballots for citizens to vote on. Keep the structure the same. Limits to campaign contributions, term limits, and gerrymandering.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
2) What is peace to you? Does this include other nations or just ours? How would you accomplish peace in such countries as Dafur?
Don't care unless it affects the United States.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
3) What is justice in the terms of your mission statement mean?
Justice means every American citizen has an opportunity to succeed to their own fullest potential. Universal health care, public higher education or vocational job training, and publicly funded roads.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
4) Are your goals to destroy the Democratic party or to absorb it somehow? What's the game plan to do so?
Partisanship is irrelevant. Believe it or not liberals don't control the Democratic Party. Not even close. I would like liberals to have more control over the Democratic Party if the two are to be associated with each other.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
Also, with 100% control, how would you employ 100% of America, while at the same time dissolving corporations and monopolies?
100% of any economy cannot be employed. Full employment is generally 4% unemployment.

There is nothing wrong with our anti-trust regulations. We just need to get corporations out of the Democratic process. I have no desire to desolve corporations.

For starters, union membership needs to be higher. We also need to raise minimum wage and re-examine the tax code. I'm for limited protectionism and strict, skills-based immigration based on a point system.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
Do you support free health care like Canada and England or Obama's healthcare, or a hybrid? How would you accomplish this without corporations involved? (Like Hospitals/Big Pharma)
Health care is not free.

My health care goal is the following:

All citizens are guarenteed preventative and catastropic health care, paid for by payroll taxes. Elective care (dental, vision, MRIs, specialists, etc.) will remain private. Health care will be rationed as follows:

Every citizen gets one annual check up per year and an additional two "sick" doctor visits. Any visits after that are paid for on a fee-only basis. Drug abuse related visits / ailments (smoking, etc.) will be subject to a surcharge.

To answer your question, it is mostly medicare for all, but retains some private elements.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
Do you feel that by ridding the world of gasoline (big oil) and the corporate entities that control the oil (Exxon, BP, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc) that this will solve global warming?
Again, I have no desire to rid the world of gasoline. Another accusation based on a strawman argument. My goal would be to rid excessive oil consumption. Our goal should be to implement more solar power and electric vehicles. Roads are paid by income and local taxes anyway, so I would abolish the gas tax. I would replace with a carbon tax. Solar roadways and HSR would be primary goals as shovel ready jobs ASAP. If all roads in America were converted into solar roadways, it would generate enough power to supply this country by a factor of 3!

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
I appreciate all the help with answering these questions for me. Thanks in advance.
You are welcome. Thanks for the discussion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
4,853 posts, read 3,633,934 times
Reputation: 3917
Quote:
Originally Posted by katzpaw View Post
You appear to be referring to mayday.us. https://mayday.us/
The aim is to end government crony capitalism and make politicians more accountable to voters and less to corporate lobbyists and donors. Much of our legislation is written by lobbyists who use their paid politicians as front men.

You are way off base. Who is proposing that?
I'm just interpreting the mission statement posted in my post from the PDA website. Do you disagree that that their stance is 100% employment? If so, please correct me for I am ignorant as to their positions on such issues..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
4,853 posts, read 3,633,934 times
Reputation: 3917
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
Thanks for the well thought out OP. I will try my best.

I'm a left-libertarian.. I vote Democrat but I'm not a card carrying Dem.



Multiple parties. More legislation placed on general ballots for citizens to vote on. Keep the structure the same. Limits to campaign contributions, term limits, and gerrymandering.



Don't care unless it affects the United States.



Justice means every American citizen has an opportunity to succeed to their own fullest potential. Universal health care, public higher education or vocational job training, and publicly funded roads.



Partisanship is irrelevant. Believe it or not liberals don't control the Democratic Party. Not even close. I would like liberals to have more control over the Democratic Party if the two are to be associated with each other.



100% of any economy cannot be employed. Full employment is generally 4% unemployment.

There is nothing wrong with our anti-trust regulations. We just need to get corporations out of the Democratic process. I have no desire to desolve corporations.

For starters, union membership needs to be higher. We also need to raise minimum wage and re-examine the tax code. I'm for limited protectionism and strict, skills-based immigration based on a point system.



Health care is not free.

My health care goal is the following:

All citizens are guarenteed preventative and catastropic health care, paid for by payroll taxes. Elective care (dental, vision, MRIs, specialists, etc.) will remain private. Health care will be rationed as follows:

Every citizen gets one annual check up per year and an additional two "sick" doctor visits. Any visits after that are paid for on a fee-only basis. Drug abuse related visits / ailments (smoking, etc.) will be subject to a surcharge.

To answer your question, it is mostly medicare for all, but retains some private elements.



Again, I have no desire to rid the world of gasoline. Another accusation based on a strawman argument. My goal would be to rid excessive oil consumption. Our goal should be to implement more solar power and electric vehicles. Roads are paid by income and local taxes anyway, so I would abolish the gas tax. I would replace with a carbon tax. Solar roadways and HSR would be primary goals as shovel ready jobs ASAP. If all roads in America were converted into solar roadways, it would generate enough power to supply this country by a factor of 3!



You are welcome. Thanks for the discussion.
I appreciate you answering those topics. I wasn't trying to make accusations, simply ask questions for clarity.

Who pays for all of these programs in your opinion? What do progressives say about funding social programs?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
23,223 posts, read 11,476,545 times
Reputation: 4303
Quote:
Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
This is what candidate Obama claimed. He lied. They were bamboozled. Will a candidate that will live up to his word be chosen? I haven't seen one yet.
When did President Obama ever claim to have followed progressive ideology ??????????????????????????

And no, i dont mean call himself a progress, i mean an example of him actually showing progressive ideals.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
2,259 posts, read 2,131,006 times
Reputation: 1901
Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseManOnceSaid View Post
Do you support free health care like Canada and England or Obama's healthcare, or a hybrid?
Canada doesn't have free healthcare, we have universal healthcare - there is a big difference. We pay for our healthcare through our taxes, not on a premium/co-pay basis like in the U.S. It is funded and operated in a similar fashion to medicare in the U.S.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
4,853 posts, read 3,633,934 times
Reputation: 3917
Quote:
Originally Posted by revrandy View Post
Canada doesn't have free healthcare, we have universal healthcare - there is a big difference. We pay for our healthcare through our taxes, not on a premium/co-pay basis like in the U.S. It is funded and operated in a similar fashion to medicare in the U.S.
If, in Canada, you don't have a job or are unemployed, do you still get healthcare?

Also, if you make a higher wage say $150K per year, do you pay more into the system? Is it percentage based? Also, if you pay more into the system, do you get more benefits out of the system?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-09-2014, 04:13 PM
 
77,954 posts, read 33,252,383 times
Reputation: 15582
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
When did President Obama ever claim to have followed progressive ideology ??????????????????????????

And no, i dont mean call himself a progress, i mean an example of him actually showing progressive ideals.
We seek to build a party and government controlled by citizens, not corporate elites-with policies that serve the broad public interest, not just private interests.

"No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration."

How many of those Wall Street criminals that he promised to punish were punished?

How many do you want?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top