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I have in fact read Marx's works. All of Des Kapital, the Communist Manifesto and selected letters between Marx and Engels. I was even at one point in time an enthusiastic Marxist. Finding hints of Marxism in peoples personal ideologies is simple.
Be that as it may, but I don't think Marxism is easy to understand when even Marx himself confesses that what the French call Marxism is something what Marx himself would call Marxism.
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What is known as ‘Marxism’ in France is, indeed, an altogether peculiar product — so much so that Marx once said to Lafargue: ‘Ce qu’il y a de certain c’est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste.’ [If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist]
I would love to see certain people run a business and handle all the horrors of employees who cause nothing but grief to the owners. We did this for 11 years and paid the bets employees great money and had those certain ones who were not even worth minimum wage, but they were always the ones who whined about not ever having any money, being poor etc. It's their own fault they are poor, the lazy rats wouldnt work any overtime, wouldnt work weekends ( since when do you get to pick your days of work when your poor ), wouldnt go out of their way to help us get an order done or anything.
I even had one lazy bag who told me it isnt fair that they cannot afford a vacation on the wages we pay and yet you and your family take many vacations a year, well...... I told her that if you want to go on vacation its called step it up and make yourself more valuable to us and your pay will increase with it. She said she is not going to do more work so I can take a vacation on her work. Give me a break.
The majority of poor people are poor because they are lazy and jealous of those who are not poor.
The people I paid good money to understood they had to be of value to our business or they wouldnt be making 15.00 per hour, but the lazy ones who were making min. wage felt like we should pay them for spending time in my building.
I have seen it all, both sides of a business and I can tell you that the poor people are poor because they choose to be. The only people who have any excuse is the ones that have mental or physical issues they cannot overcome. The rest of them will always be poor and expect those with money to just hand it to them for being useless.
Its sad that people make excuses for being poor, always it some elses fault they are poor, the truth is they are poor for a reason and the reason is noones fault but their own.
Haha! And for every poor person you look down your nose at and claim is just lazy or they wouldn't be poor ...there's somone looking down their nose at you wondering why YOU don't work harder so you can be as rich as they are
Haha! And for every poor person you look down your nose at and claim is just lazy or they wouldn't be poor ...there's somone looking down their nose at you wondering why YOU don't work harder so you can be as rich as they are
About twenty years ago a wife of a friend of mine (he at that time worth in excess of twenty million pounds, and I should know we were partners) was crying at the table when I entered the room, why? I asked, "because we have some frinds coming over tonight for dinner", she said. What's the big deal I asked, you not having to worry about cooking it leave it to others, "No it's not that she said it's just that they have more money than we do."
Looks like a person only amounts to the size of his gold.
It is all relative, isn't it. Money is just a medium of exchange. I have never seen anyone take it with them. Some people are poor because of circumstances and others just don't know how to manage. I think others are poor because of greed. They want more than they can pay for and those credit cards will make anybody poor if they use them. My Dad started out as a sharecropper and when he went to be with the Lord, he left 170 acres of land and enough money to care for my Mom until she went to be with both of them. He also instilled in us the values of getting as much education as you can and going to church and being kind to your neighbor.
When my dh and I got married, I think we had less than $300 between us. Yes, we have had some hard times and have seen friends who had more than we do and sucked it in. We have both worked harder than our paychecks, raised two children who put themselves through college, practically. But we are comfortable and have what we need because of the grace of God. I have learned that God gives you what you need to do what He wants you to do. Some people do His work as beggars and others do His work in prison. Money is not to be worshipped; it is to be used. It is also a responsibility.
If the market dictates prices or wages at a level - that is what gets charged or paid.
The market once dictated generations of people born onto plantation who were property.
She quoted Greatday and then presented the latter statement in defense. She associated his argument (falsely) with the slave trade, thus trying to make his statement invalid for incorrect reasons. That is a strawman.
A hyperbole is an exaggeration correct? Now, if it is an exaggeration you can use words to "beef" up your argument. If these words are, and yes because it is a hyperbole they are, an exaggeration of the actual situation, they are misused.
Now, let's say I was making an argument against a traffic ticket (not that major).
This traffic ticket is a catastrophic event in my life and I shouldn't have to pay it.
The word "catastrophic" is misused because it does not correctly represent the nature of the argument, it is an exaggeration.
Now, in Roseba's argument she referred to workers as "indentured servants", upon which I presented the definition, proving the statement false and you then logically conclude that the word was, wait for it, misused.
The general definition and theory of Marxism is well defined, if you don't get caught up in the sub-branches like communism and socialism. It is true that Marx doubted himself but then again... Engels was a bourgeoisie factory owner.
Haha! And for every poor person you look down your nose at and claim is just lazy or they wouldn't be poor ...there's somone looking down their nose at you wondering why YOU don't work harder so you can be as rich as they are
This is sadly the truth.
As the richest of the rich get richer, they now have to find increasingly more opulent ways to set themselves apart from the "merely rich." $5000 handbags now have to be purchased because traditional luxury handbags worth $700 are too common.
It's a self-defeating game, in the end.
The problem is, once you HAVE money, it's soooo easy to make more money. If you have one million dollars you can live off the interest alone at greater than the median income in the United States. It always amazes me when you find out people who were already millionaires play and win the lottery. As my mother used to say, "money finds money!"
Tis the flaw with capitalism. Only those who can spend money can make more, either that or being an entrepaneur, the only problem is that because most things have been discovered and big business is well, so big... nobody can really start out like that anymore.
Captalism reaches a peak of perfection (in the money making sense) through monopoly. The government would like to say that they control and have solved this problem, they have not. Ever wonder why the gas prices always stay with in a certain margin, even though there are different oil companies?
Haha! And for every poor person you look down your nose at and claim is just lazy or they wouldn't be poor ...there's somone looking down their nose at you wondering why YOU don't work harder so you can be as rich as they are
Maybe... but most likely they don't know about me because I'm not looking for a handout.
She quoted Greatday and then presented the latter statement in defense. She associated his argument (falsely) with the slave trade, thus trying to make his statement invalid for incorrect reasons. That is a strawman.
To repeat, attacking an argument that an opponent did not make is a strawman. If one attacks an argument that an opponent did make, then even if fallacious for any number of other reasons, it is not a strawman.
The actual statement that <greatday> made was... Business is IN BUSINESS to make money. They are not intended to be a social welfare system.
In <roseba>'s actual reply... And employees are not in the business of being slaves either. If you are a business, and you don't NEED an employee, then by all means, don't have one. But if you do, don't expect slaves.
...she is not associating anything with the slave trade. The slave trade never comes up. You are again guilty of a strawman on that point. Instead, in a simple use of analogy, she likens the employer-employee relationship suggested to that which would exist between a master and a slave, and cautions that not many employees should be expected willingly to accept such a role.
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A hyperbole is an exaggeration correct? Now, if it is an exaggeration you can use words to "beef" up your argument. If these words are, and yes because it is a hyperbole they are, an exaggeration of the actual situation, they are misused.
Hopeless. Hyperbole is a perfectly valid device of emphasis and illustration. Hyperbole, by definition, is meant not to be taken literally. One with any valid claim to being sharp as a tack would have long ago gotten past such elementary errors.
Haha! And for every poor person you look down your nose at and claim is just lazy or they wouldn't be poor ...there's somone looking down their nose at you wondering why YOU don't work harder so you can be as rich as they are
And that is fine, since I have nothing to feel guilty about since I'm not advocating anyone taking away what they have worked hard for to give to me.
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