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It doesn't matter. It won't happen. It's easier to saber rattle about a wall and get donations because of it than actually fix something. There's a lot of risk to Republicans right now if they actually do something.
It's easier to sit back and blame a nearly 100 year old challenge on big bad Obama. Political strategists now seem to agree that a Republican nominee must receive at least 40% of the Latino vote to win the popular vote.
The last time that was achieved was in 2004.
Bush tried twice during his two terms to achieve immigration reform and the Dream Act. It had bipartisan support from big names like Kennedy and McCain. Nonetheless, the break within the Republican Party did not enable Bush to achieve adequate support from his own party. So the can was once again kicked forward as it is again.
Too many make too much money off the status quo to allow reform.
Fixing it sounds a lot to me like just letting the illegals come in and get comfortable. E-verify is not going to stop employment of them and unless you do that you can not control the influx. AZ has e-verify laws for some time now. It's worked well in fast food, but in construction, the builders just use subs who hire illegals off the books. Other industries just ignore the law. There is no enforcement to speak of because the money boys are profiting. Sorry, but the government has a terrible track record on immigration reform. Lots is said, much proclaimed, but little is accomplished. This time would be no different I am afraid.
This is no accident. This has been going on for nearly 100 years. "They" have done a swell job of refocusing public outrage at the illegal and away from those who profit off the backs of undocumented workers.
And you can blame the lack of immigration reform on the big bad republicans, but this administration has signaled to countries that their citizens are welcome. Democrats have several points on which they will not back down and thus the reason the bipartisan bill did not pass: no borders closed for several years until after amnesty, liberal immigration reform with full citizenship for all, to mention a few of the points.
Out of your own mouth comes the problem: this administration is rewarding immigrants for coming over the border--last count nearly 300K and more are coming, with no plans to stop them. Surely you are not learning for the first time today that the sudden influx of a massive amount of immigrants was brought about by this administration. There's no way our agencies could keep track of where they are going and when and if they will appear at a immigration hearing.
Immigrants will of course vote for the party that grants them full voting rights, liberal benefits, education, full medical attention, driver's licenses, etc., all at the expense of American citizens. They are even wearing Obama shoes as they cross the border. You must be so proud and so happy.
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
It's easier to sit back and blame a nearly 100 year old challenge on big bad Obama. Political strategists now seem to agree that a Republican nominee must receive at least 40% of the Latino vote to win the popular vote.
The last time that was achieved was in 2004.
Bush tried twice during his two terms to achieve immigration reform and the Dream Act. It had bipartisan support from big names like Kennedy and McCain. Nonetheless, the break within the Republican Party did not enable Bush to achieve adequate support from his own party. So the can was once again kicked forward as it is again.
Too many make too much money off the status quo to allow reform.
WASHINGTON -- Immigration reform has flatlined in Congress but Florida voters overwhelmingly support changes and reject the Republican contention that a lack of enforcement of current law is reason not to act, a new poll released Wednesday shows.
Sixty-seven percent of voters said they support a plan that secures the borders, mandates employee verification, expands work visas and provides a path to citizenship for young immigrants brought to the United States illegally by their parents while providing other undocumented residents legal status, according to the poll for the pro-reform Partnership for a New American Economy.
Seventy-six percent dismissed the GOP argument about a lack of enforcement being reason not to move on immigration reform. Nearly as many, 71 percent, said they would rather vote for a presidential candidate from a political party that supports immigration reform.
The results were released as part of a “national day of action” by immigration reform groups. The Florida survey found 76 percent of voters think it is very important or somewhat important for Congress to act this year.
I think they should act because that's what they were elected to do. If 80% (yes, that is the left AND right) of Americans say they want Congress to act, then how can you argue they should NOT act.
" then how can you argue they should NOT act."
Act on WHAT?
We ALREADY have MANY laws on the books regarding legal and ILLEGAL immigration.
We are a sovereign nation. We have borders. What is so hard to explain the President has the RESPONSIBILITY to ENFORCE the existing laws and defend out borders?
They could pass a thousand laws and if NOT enforced, what good would they do?
The "sinking boat" analogue comes to mind. When the boat springs a leak and starts sinking, what do you do? Start bailing or plug the leak?
The answer is plug the leak. Bailing is a waste of time because as you remove water more water is coming in and you are NOT making ANY progress.
Sixty-seven percent of voters said they support a plan that secures the borders, mandates employee verification...
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Seventy-six percent dismissed the GOP argument about a lack of enforcement being reason not to move on immigration reform.
Here's the disconnect.
Every "plan" for reform has mythical secure borders and employee verification, and both of those things are immediately forgotten, since the entire immigration "reform" movement is a voting drive for Democrats.
The securing the border NEVER HAPPENS. Employee verification NEVER HAPPENS. What happens is the southern frontier spigot gets cranked open a bit more, and all of the southern states, primarily the southwest, get increased social spending responsibilities with no sign of "enforcement" other than bravado coming from the constitutionally authorized enforcers of immigration.
The GOP argument is pretty much "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Every...single...time they make a deal with the Democrats that involves giving something now and getting something later, they do their giving now, and the Democrats always renege on the back end. Every...single...time.
So now the deal is "give us amnesty, path to citizenship, more visas, etc, and we promise we'll secure that border and mandate employee verification." So reform will end up being the exact same porous border, the exact same lack of employment enforcement, but easier ways for more people to flood into this country from the south and get on welfare within minutes, which should guarantee Democrat electoral success for at least another 30 years.
Easy enough to fix the bold. Put real teeth into the law and enforce it. Make the employer also shoulder the burden of the cost of deportation. As for the subs make the contractor equally responsible. We do it with other laws and in the construction industry. Build a house and it has problems the contractor owns the repairs. Doesn't matter who his sub was. In this case if sub uses illegals the contractor takes the fall as well.
Where I work we use temp help for unskilled labor. Our temp service has to provide proof of legal stays and do back ground checks on all their employees. It isn't impossible or even challenging.
It certainly is not impossible and it won't cost $40 billion a year to pretend to seal the borders to achieve it.
Hold employers responsible. Fine them $1 million a head plus court costs. Seize their assets for payment.
Amend the Constitution to put some parameters around birth rights.
I have no issue with a defined path to citizenship for those that have lived in the US for a minimum of x years, provided they are self- sustaining and have not been convicted of any crimes.
What, exactly, is meant by "immigration reform?" What it means to most people is, "amnesty." That's why so many oppose it.
It could mean that to the ignorant, but it is always worth the while to keep yourself informed so you would know the truth.
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