Terrorist Groups' Seize Uranium Compounds, Iraq Tells U.N.- Thank you Obama! (McCain, racist)

[Dumbdowndemocrats]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

nukes will decide the fate of the mideast. a people willing to go to any length to win will use nukes.
the burning question (no pun intended), are we?

Makes one wonder about the militants that tried so hard to get a hold of those airplanes in Pakistan or maybe throw light at missing flight 370?
Can one say dirty bomb?
With a range of 7000 miles who needs missle technology ...

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

I guess you do NOT know what "framework" means.

I guess you do NOT know what "Geo-Political Strategy" means.

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

What has Obama done to CONTINUE this endeavor?

As far as you know, he's done exactly what the oligarchical "you-Harvards" in the Bureaucracy have told him to do.

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

"not to allow Iraq to fall into civil war." I guess Obama succeeded in that also.

You're operating from an assumption that is baseless and without merit, in that you believe the US wants peace or stability in Iraq.

Let us review the undisputed facts:

1] Iraq had a fairly stable constitutional monarchy, until Eisentryrant murdered King Faisal II.

2] Iraq was still fairly stable under General Qasim, until John "There isn't a Prostitute on Earth I haven't done" Kennedy ordered Qasim's murder.

3] LBJ and Nixon heavily supported the Baathist Party -- paving the way for Saddam

4] During the Nixon Administration, the US could have ensured lasting stability by following through with its promise to the Kurds. Instead, Left-Winger Kissinger the "you-Harvard" Wonder engineered the largest mass execution in history in the post-WW II Era.

Kissinger sent the Kurds a cable (dated October 16) stating:

"We do not repeat not consider it advisable for you to undertake the offensive military actions that Israel has suggested to you."

Since the Kurds trusted the US, they did as Kissinger asked.


At that time, the Shah (of Iran) had been using the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis for several years. The CIA knew that if the Shah and Iraq ever came to an agreement on their border dispute, the Shah would drop the Kurds like a bucket of puke. In April 1972 the Iraqis signed an FCN with the Soviet Union that gave the Soviets the right to port ships at Iraqi ports, plus Iraq received Soviet military aid and equipment (that was still in use during the Gulf War 1991).

In June, the Iraqis nationalized the Iraq Petroleum Company (of which 23.75% was US oil company assets). That is what got the ball rolling, because the Shah wanted a more prominent role in OPEC and to do that, the Shah had to deal with the Kurds to set an example for other minority groups living in OPEC member countries.

In March 1975, the Shah met with the Iraqi vice-president, and then cut off all supplies to the Kurds. The Iraqis then launched a massive offensive against the Kurds.

The Kurds sent a cable to Kissinger:

"There is confusion and dismay among our people and forces. Our people's fate in unprecedented danger. Compete destruction hanging over our head. No explanation for all this. We appeal you and USG [US Government] intervene according to your promises..."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Another cable to Kissinger:

"Your Excellency, having always believed in the peaceful solution of disputes including those between Iran and Ira, we are please to see that their two countries have come to some agreement...however, our hearts bleed to see that an immediate byproduct of their agreement is the destruction of our defenseless people.... Our Movement and people are being destroyed in an unbelievable way with silence from everyone. We feel your Excellency that the United States has a moral and political responsibility towards our people who have committed themselves to you country's policy."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Several hundred Kurdish leaders were killed, or captured and summarily executed. Kurdish forces suffered heavy losses. Kissinger and the US did nothing.

More than 200,000 Kurds fled Iraq into Iran, but the US and Iran refused to provide any humanitarian assistance, and also refused to allow the UN or any other humanitarian non-governmental organizations help the Kurds.

At Iraqi insistence, the Shah handed over 40,000 of the Kurdish "intelligentsia" to the Iraqis for execution.

The US government refused to acknowledge any of the events, and so refused to allow any of the 40,000 condemned, or those that remained of the 200,000 to seek political asylum in the US, even though each and every single one of the qualified for political asylum under the laws in place in the US at the time.

What's important to understand here (because it might not be readily apparent) is that the Kurds could have attacked the Iraqis at their weakest -- during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and that the Kurds could have obtained weapons from the Soviet Union and armed themselves against the Iraqis -- but Bazrani the Kurdish leader declined the Soviet offer of weapons, because Kissinger told him not to accept them.

And the US knew that this was going to happen, because the US/CIA was telling the Shah to use the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis.

This is what the US thinks about Kurds......

"Covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

-- Henry Kissinger

See Page 66 of this document (for the Quote) which discuses US-Kurdish History.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA341020

And yes, that's a military web-site.

5] Carter armed the Iraqis to attack Iran. How is that building democracy?

6] Reagan sent US military advisors to Iraq to help Iraq beat Iran (and Iraq still lost).

7] The Gulf War and Bush the Elder promises to provide financial, materiel and intelligence support if the Kurds overthrow Saddam.

The Kurds attack and get slaughtered.....because the US lied...there was never any intent to help the Kurds.

Dead Kurds are a great reason to set up a No-Fly Zone with vague and ambiguous goals which allow the US to run it indefinitely.....until the US can find an excuse to invade.


So spare us the freaking crocodile tears.


The only thing the US has ever done in Iraq is murder its leaders, slaughter the peoples and steal all of the oil profits, so Americans can have internet and SUVs and Tammy Wynette albums for their Hi-Fi stereos.

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

"We're also signing a Security Agreement, sometimes called a Status of Forces Agreement. The agreement provides American troops and Defense Department officials with authorizations and protections to continue supporting Iraq's democracy once the U.N. mandate expires at the end of this year. This agreement respects the sovereignty and the authority of Iraq's democracy. The agreement lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq -- a withdrawal that is possible because of the success of the surge.

Why didn't Obama succeed in getting it renewed?

Extra-territoriality.

It's an International Law thing....you wouldn't understand.

Suffice to say that under the SOFA in Germany, the Federal Republic of Germany has the right to prosecute American military members for crimes committed against German nationals. Germany often defers and allows the US to prosecute for any number of reasons.

Obama did not want the Iraqis to have the same rights as the Germans.

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

" Bush signed the agreement in 2008 with a firm deadline."


I must have missed that in link. Where is it?

It's all over freaking Useless Tube.

To refresh your incredibly poor memory, Candidate Obama swore on a stack of bibles (and Korans) to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Former-Candidate-Obama-now-President-Obama lied violating his campaign promise and was trying to extend the US military presence.

That's because Obama already knew you were going into Syria.

Originally Posted by burdell

I don't give a rat's ass if Iraq was a model of democracy and freedom and NO WHERE does the Constitution say we should. It was stable and represented no imminent threat to the US when other groups (al Qaeda comes to mind) did.

Um, Iraq is an Economic Threat.

All of the blissfully ignorant pompously strut about talking all big Billy-bad about not policing the World.....until they lose their job....

...and then they're screaming, "Dammit, invade some hapless 3rd or 4th World State or murder its head-of-State or overthrow its government and take over its Markets so I can have a job."

See if you can get it right for once.....

Mircea

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by burdell

I don't give a rat's ass if Iraq was a model of democracy and freedom and NO WHERE does the Constitution say we should. It was stable and represented no imminent threat to the US when other groups (al Qaeda comes to mind) did. I care that Iraq NOW represents more of a threat than it did before we stuck our nose where it didn't belong and accomplished NOTHING beneficial to the US.



Many countries in the world are hellholes for their people, there is no reason to believe we can(or should) attempt policing the world. Your news source apparently tells you to defend our totally unnecessary, wasteful invasion/occupation of Iraq.

"I don't give a rat's ass" But, you continually post about it.

I wonder who the ass is?

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by burdell

Speaking of idiotic posts

Are you talking about your own posts?

You might want to keep up and quit making a fool of yourself. I was referring to the torturing of children at the Iraq prisons.

I know, you "don't give a rats ass".

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Dockside

It was doing okay until Obama deliberately pushed the Iraq administration to make a deal they couldn't swallow which gave Obama the excuse to walk away from Iraq. He could've negotiated a deal with Maliki, but Obama wanted to wash his hands of Iraq so Obama threw away a war America had won. He threw it away. And now the ME is in flames.

You people are so blinded by your hatred of GWB that you won't let yourselves see the bigger mess this president has created.

You must have fallen and hit your head on the Dock! You are so wrong.

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Mircea

I guess you do NOT know what "Geo-Political Strategy" means.



As far as you know, he's done exactly what the oligarchical "you-Harvards" in the Bureaucracy have told him to do.



You're operating from an assumption that is baseless and without merit, in that you believe the US wants peace or stability in Iraq.

Let us review the undisputed facts:

1] Iraq had a fairly stable constitutional monarchy, until Eisentryrant murdered King Faisal II.

2] Iraq was still fairly stable under General Qasim, until John "There isn't a Prostitute on Earth I haven't done" Kennedy ordered Qasim's murder.

3] LBJ and Nixon heavily supported the Baathist Party -- paving the way for Saddam

4] During the Nixon Administration, the US could have ensured lasting stability by following through with its promise to the Kurds. Instead, Left-Winger Kissinger the "you-Harvard" Wonder engineered the largest mass execution in history in the post-WW II Era.

Kissinger sent the Kurds a cable (dated October 16) stating:

"We do not repeat not consider it advisable for you to undertake the offensive military actions that Israel has suggested to you."

Since the Kurds trusted the US, they did as Kissinger asked.


At that time, the Shah (of Iran) had been using the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis for several years. The CIA knew that if the Shah and Iraq ever came to an agreement on their border dispute, the Shah would drop the Kurds like a bucket of puke. In April 1972 the Iraqis signed an FCN with the Soviet Union that gave the Soviets the right to port ships at Iraqi ports, plus Iraq received Soviet military aid and equipment (that was still in use during the Gulf War 1991).

In June, the Iraqis nationalized the Iraq Petroleum Company (of which 23.75% was US oil company assets). That is what got the ball rolling, because the Shah wanted a more prominent role in OPEC and to do that, the Shah had to deal with the Kurds to set an example for other minority groups living in OPEC member countries.

In March 1975, the Shah met with the Iraqi vice-president, and then cut off all supplies to the Kurds. The Iraqis then launched a massive offensive against the Kurds.

The Kurds sent a cable to Kissinger:

"There is confusion and dismay among our people and forces. Our people's fate in unprecedented danger. Compete destruction hanging over our head. No explanation for all this. We appeal you and USG [US Government] intervene according to your promises..."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Another cable to Kissinger:

"Your Excellency, having always believed in the peaceful solution of disputes including those between Iran and Ira, we are please to see that their two countries have come to some agreement...however, our hearts bleed to see that an immediate byproduct of their agreement is the destruction of our defenseless people.... Our Movement and people are being destroyed in an unbelievable way with silence from everyone. We feel your Excellency that the United States has a moral and political responsibility towards our people who have committed themselves to you country's policy."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Several hundred Kurdish leaders were killed, or captured and summarily executed. Kurdish forces suffered heavy losses. Kissinger and the US did nothing.

More than 200,000 Kurds fled Iraq into Iran, but the US and Iran refused to provide any humanitarian assistance, and also refused to allow the UN or any other humanitarian non-governmental organizations help the Kurds.

At Iraqi insistence, the Shah handed over 40,000 of the Kurdish "intelligentsia" to the Iraqis for execution.

The US government refused to acknowledge any of the events, and so refused to allow any of the 40,000 condemned, or those that remained of the 200,000 to seek political asylum in the US, even though each and every single one of the qualified for political asylum under the laws in place in the US at the time.

What's important to understand here (because it might not be readily apparent) is that the Kurds could have attacked the Iraqis at their weakest -- during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and that the Kurds could have obtained weapons from the Soviet Union and armed themselves against the Iraqis -- but Bazrani the Kurdish leader declined the Soviet offer of weapons, because Kissinger told him not to accept them.

And the US knew that this was going to happen, because the US/CIA was telling the Shah to use the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis.

This is what the US thinks about Kurds......

"Covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

-- Henry Kissinger

See Page 66 of this document (for the Quote) which discuses US-Kurdish History.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA341020

And yes, that's a military web-site.

5] Carter armed the Iraqis to attack Iran. How is that building democracy?

6] Reagan sent US military advisors to Iraq to help Iraq beat Iran (and Iraq still lost).

7] The Gulf War and Bush the Elder promises to provide financial, materiel and intelligence support if the Kurds overthrow Saddam.

The Kurds attack and get slaughtered.....because the US lied...there was never any intent to help the Kurds.

Dead Kurds are a great reason to set up a No-Fly Zone with vague and ambiguous goals which allow the US to run it indefinitely.....until the US can find an excuse to invade.


So spare us the freaking crocodile tears.


The only thing the US has ever done in Iraq is murder its leaders, slaughter the peoples and steal all of the oil profits, so Americans can have internet and SUVs and Tammy Wynette albums for their Hi-Fi stereos.



Extra-territoriality.

It's an International Law thing....you wouldn't understand.

Suffice to say that under the SOFA in Germany, the Federal Republic of Germany has the right to prosecute American military members for crimes committed against German nationals. Germany often defers and allows the US to prosecute for any number of reasons.

Obama did not want the Iraqis to have the same rights as the Germans.



It's all over freaking Useless Tube.

To refresh your incredibly poor memory, Candidate Obama swore on a stack of bibles (and Korans) to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Former-Candidate-Obama-now-President-Obama lied violating his campaign promise and was trying to extend the US military presence.

That's because Obama already knew you were going into Syria.




Um, Iraq is an Economic Threat.

All of the blissfully ignorant pompously strut about talking all big Billy-bad about not policing the World.....until they lose their job....

...and then they're screaming, "Dammit, invade some hapless 3rd or 4th World State or murder its head-of-State or overthrow its government and take over its Markets so I can have a job."

See if you can get it right for once.....

Mircea

Very informative.

[remoddahouse]

Originally Posted by gretsky99

For endangering all Americans with your foreign policy disasters.

'Terrorist Groups' Seize Uranium Compounds, Iraq Tells U.N. - NBC News

The mess in Iraq is hardly his fault. By the way, he followed through on the plan that was setup by the last guy for withdrawals. The problem is that we removed the one guy who held the country together and the inevitable happened.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by Mircea

I guess you do NOT know what "Geo-Political Strategy" means.



As far as you know, he's done exactly what the oligarchical "you-Harvards" in the Bureaucracy have told him to do.



You're operating from an assumption that is baseless and without merit, in that you believe the US wants peace or stability in Iraq.

Let us review the undisputed facts:

1] Iraq had a fairly stable constitutional monarchy, until Eisentryrant murdered King Faisal II.

2] Iraq was still fairly stable under General Qasim, until John "There isn't a Prostitute on Earth I haven't done" Kennedy ordered Qasim's murder.

3] LBJ and Nixon heavily supported the Baathist Party -- paving the way for Saddam

4] During the Nixon Administration, the US could have ensured lasting stability by following through with its promise to the Kurds. Instead, Left-Winger Kissinger the "you-Harvard" Wonder engineered the largest mass execution in history in the post-WW II Era.

Kissinger sent the Kurds a cable (dated October 16) stating:

"We do not repeat not consider it advisable for you to undertake the offensive military actions that Israel has suggested to you."

Since the Kurds trusted the US, they did as Kissinger asked.


At that time, the Shah (of Iran) had been using the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis for several years. The CIA knew that if the Shah and Iraq ever came to an agreement on their border dispute, the Shah would drop the Kurds like a bucket of puke. In April 1972 the Iraqis signed an FCN with the Soviet Union that gave the Soviets the right to port ships at Iraqi ports, plus Iraq received Soviet military aid and equipment (that was still in use during the Gulf War 1991).

In June, the Iraqis nationalized the Iraq Petroleum Company (of which 23.75% was US oil company assets). That is what got the ball rolling, because the Shah wanted a more prominent role in OPEC and to do that, the Shah had to deal with the Kurds to set an example for other minority groups living in OPEC member countries.

In March 1975, the Shah met with the Iraqi vice-president, and then cut off all supplies to the Kurds. The Iraqis then launched a massive offensive against the Kurds.

The Kurds sent a cable to Kissinger:

"There is confusion and dismay among our people and forces. Our people's fate in unprecedented danger. Compete destruction hanging over our head. No explanation for all this. We appeal you and USG [US Government] intervene according to your promises..."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Another cable to Kissinger:

"Your Excellency, having always believed in the peaceful solution of disputes including those between Iran and Ira, we are please to see that their two countries have come to some agreement...however, our hearts bleed to see that an immediate byproduct of their agreement is the destruction of our defenseless people.... Our Movement and people are being destroyed in an unbelievable way with silence from everyone. We feel your Excellency that the United States has a moral and political responsibility towards our people who have committed themselves to you country's policy."

[Note: Emphasis Mine]

Several hundred Kurdish leaders were killed, or captured and summarily executed. Kurdish forces suffered heavy losses. Kissinger and the US did nothing.

More than 200,000 Kurds fled Iraq into Iran, but the US and Iran refused to provide any humanitarian assistance, and also refused to allow the UN or any other humanitarian non-governmental organizations help the Kurds.

At Iraqi insistence, the Shah handed over 40,000 of the Kurdish "intelligentsia" to the Iraqis for execution.

The US government refused to acknowledge any of the events, and so refused to allow any of the 40,000 condemned, or those that remained of the 200,000 to seek political asylum in the US, even though each and every single one of the qualified for political asylum under the laws in place in the US at the time.

What's important to understand here (because it might not be readily apparent) is that the Kurds could have attacked the Iraqis at their weakest -- during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and that the Kurds could have obtained weapons from the Soviet Union and armed themselves against the Iraqis -- but Bazrani the Kurdish leader declined the Soviet offer of weapons, because Kissinger told him not to accept them.

And the US knew that this was going to happen, because the US/CIA was telling the Shah to use the Kurds as pawns against the Iraqis.

This is what the US thinks about Kurds......

"Covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

-- Henry Kissinger

See Page 66 of this document (for the Quote) which discuses US-Kurdish History.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA341020

And yes, that's a military web-site.

5] Carter armed the Iraqis to attack Iran. How is that building democracy?

6] Reagan sent US military advisors to Iraq to help Iraq beat Iran (and Iraq still lost).

7] The Gulf War and Bush the Elder promises to provide financial, materiel and intelligence support if the Kurds overthrow Saddam.

The Kurds attack and get slaughtered.....because the US lied...there was never any intent to help the Kurds.

Dead Kurds are a great reason to set up a No-Fly Zone with vague and ambiguous goals which allow the US to run it indefinitely.....until the US can find an excuse to invade.


So spare us the freaking crocodile tears.


The only thing the US has ever done in Iraq is murder its leaders, slaughter the peoples and steal all of the oil profits, so Americans can have internet and SUVs and Tammy Wynette albums for their Hi-Fi stereos.



Extra-territoriality.

It's an International Law thing....you wouldn't understand.

Suffice to say that under the SOFA in Germany, the Federal Republic of Germany has the right to prosecute American military members for crimes committed against German nationals. Germany often defers and allows the US to prosecute for any number of reasons.

Obama did not want the Iraqis to have the same rights as the Germans.



It's all over freaking Useless Tube.

To refresh your incredibly poor memory, Candidate Obama swore on a stack of bibles (and Korans) to pull US troops out of Iraq.

Former-Candidate-Obama-now-President-Obama lied violating his campaign promise and was trying to extend the US military presence.

That's because Obama already knew you were going into Syria.




Um, Iraq is an Economic Threat.

All of the blissfully ignorant pompously strut about talking all big Billy-bad about not policing the World.....until they lose their job....

...and then they're screaming, "Dammit, invade some hapless 3rd or 4th World State or murder its head-of-State or overthrow its government and take over its Markets so I can have a job."

See if you can get it right for once.....

Mircea

For once can't you post WITHOUT going on and on and saying nothing.

Do you think ANYBODY reads your "novels"?

[KUchief25]

Originally Posted by burdell

Iraq wasn't ruled by religious fanatics while Saddam was in power and to consider a government headed by Maliki's malfeasance a 'functioning democracy' is just ridiculous. More importantly, Iraq represented no imminent threat to the US before we once again stuck our nose where it didn't belong.

I always seem to forget Iraq was a paradise prior. lol

[KUchief25]

Originally Posted by gretsky99

For endangering all Americans with your foreign policy disasters.

'Terrorist Groups' Seize Uranium Compounds, Iraq Tells U.N. - NBC News

Well when Obama hears about this on the news he will have to schedule another fundraiser most likely.