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Old 07-12-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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The latest bill passed in June 2013 is sitting in the house right now waiting on passage and funding. It was passed by a bipartisan vote of 68 to 32 in the Senate.
Was that in the OP's list? Show me.

 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Some of you want to give this guy more money to do what he won't do in the first place?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us...anted=all&_r=1

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Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children will be allowed to remain in the country without fear of deportation and able to work, under an executive action the Obama administration announced on Friday.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Some of you want to give this guy more money to do what he won't do in the first place?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us...anted=all&_r=1
That's why they keep pouring in and you really can't blame the illegals 100 percent. If you lived in a dirt poor country and someone told you that you could go rob banks with no consequences then why not?
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Was that in the OP's list? Show me.
H.R. 15, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act

A modified version of S. 744, a major immigration bill passed by the Senate on June 27, 2013, H.R. 15 is a comprehensive bill addressing border security, a path to citizenship for the undocumented, interior enforcement, visa backlogs, higher and lower skilled work visas, visa backlog reduction, family visas, and the immigration courts, among other issues. See Guide to H.R. 15.


No problemo, Amigo.

First part of the OP's thread. Post 1, page 1.

If you actually read the bill, you'll find that everything the right wing conservatives are asking the president to do is contained in the bill. Of course they don't like the amnesty after 13 years and a bunch of hoops, but if the house republicans would bring it to the floor, then that can be changed to suit their agenda.
But......unfortunately, it's politics over production for the conservative republicans at this stage.
I'll bet a dollar to a donut that the day after the 2014 mid terms, the republican party starts harping on comprehensive immigration reform and how much they support it. It is vital for them to be perceived as Hispanic friendly for the 2016 general election if they want to stand a chance, and the sooner the better.
And all you right wing conservative posters will spin on a dime when told to do so and claim that immigration reform is a vital necessity and how the president is holding up progress on it. I've watched you spin on a dime, 180 degrees, overnight, on other issues.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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I don't think these three men got rich by being stupid. One is a major conservative republican donor.

Sheldon Adelson, Warren Buffett, And Bill Gates Chastise House GOP On Immigration

Three of the world's richest men are calling on Congress to pass legislation that would overhaul the nation's immigration system and provide some sort of path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.
Casino magnate and conservative donor Sheldon Adelson joined Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett and former Microsoft CEO Bill Gates to criticize House Republicans, in particular, for failing to address current policy, which they said "borders on insanity."

"A Congress that does nothing about these problems is extending an irrational policy by default; that is, if lawmakers donít act to change it, it stays the way it is, irrational," they added. "The current stalemate -- in which greater pride is attached to thwarting the opposition than to advancing the nationís interests -- is depressing to most Americans and virtually all of its business managers.
Do you think any of these three individuals live in a house that has no fence around it? They give money away to causes they believe in. Why don't they just open the gates to their homes?
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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The reform includes border security. Reagan's amnesty was amnesty, because it simply legalized illegals already in the country, but the current proposal would require 13 years of jumping through the hoops before made legal. Besides, from what I have read the Dems have said they would talk about a reform which did not include path to citizenship.
Who cares? The problem isn't that they're not citizens...it's that they're here in the first place. They are not wanted or needed, and they need to go. I don't care where they came from.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The reform includes border security. Reagan's amnesty was amnesty, because it simply legalized illegals already in the country, but the current proposal would require 13 years of jumping through the hoops before made legal. Besides, from what I have read the Dems have said they would talk about a reform which did not include path to citizenship.
When would E-Verify become mandatory? 5 years after the bill is passed and only for future employees. Why the delay? Why exclude current employees? Why give greedy employers a free pass?
I agree the GOP needs to put up or shut up, but lets not pretend that the immigration reform bill is a good bill or that passing it would prevent what we are seeing today.
Remove the bait and illegals won't waste their time or effort coming here. Put teeth behind the E-Verify and watch employers get rid of illegals before they are caught. There is no need for a huge bill that involves billions in pork. Smaller bills that directly target the problems would be more effective and a whole lot cheaper.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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Do you think any of these three individuals live in a house that has no fence around it? They give money away to causes they believe in. Why don't they just open the gates to their homes?
If I understand you post correctly, you are discrediting three of the smartest, richest men in the world and telling me that they don't know what they are talking about?

I beg to differ. I think they are intimately involved with the situation and Sheldon Adelson is a Conservative Republican kingmaker who spent at least 50 million of his own money on the 2012 presidential election trying to get a conservative republican elected president. More than any other individual in the nation.
These men are rich, smart and concerned about the future of the nation. I think their words carry weight.
As I stated, when the conservative republican handlers tell the base it's time for comprehensive immigration reform, as they are sure to do, you like all the rest of the base will roll over like a two legged dog and blame Obama for stalling the necessary reform.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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Who cares? The problem isn't that they're not citizens...it's that they're here in the first place. They are not wanted or needed, and they need to go. I don't care where they came from.
Then tell Congress to fund the cost of finding, jailing, and rounding up every swinging dick and sending them back where they came from. See haw far you get.
Congress, who controls the purse strings could do it at any time.
On this issue, your problem is not with Obama, it is with the Republican controlled congress.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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When you read the bill thoroughly, it clearly states that the border must be secure first before dealing with any aspect of those illegals already here.
So, fence first.........illegals second. Exactly what the republicans are screaming about now.
Yes, which is why Senate Republicans voted for it. The House needs to quit playing these games and start listening to what 80% of America wants them to do.
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